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End Of All · **Posted:** Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:12 am

ok but if its an option people will use it ... no point in arguing just the way it is

josssuxd · **Posted:** Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:25 am

Lol and oll of you just joined the March

Me personally dont care bout New Client. I help to translate it to Estonian. But ill only play old client .

kevinrulez · **Joined:** Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:55 pm **Posts:** 814

I dont care ^.^
Seriusly , why are they bringing it back anyway?
Didnt they change it because of sub abuse?

simmen · **Posted:** Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:48 pm

they changed to reduce sub abuse, and now they are bringing it bac =/

Harvester · **Posted:** Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:07 pm

Regardless of the number of the sub alliances, which is what the alliance caps changed, there will still be the same number of PEOPLE in these alliances regardless if there's 4 subs or just 2.

If anything smaller cap is HELPING fight sub abuse, as it's forcing already poorly coordinated sub players into different alliances, meaning that it'll be that many more separate alliances trying to coordinate with each other.

That paired with other updates such as fighting for spoils wouldn't allow subs to hit the same target and get away fine as in the past, so it makes it a bit more difficult.

Hopefully you guys see what I'm saying, the cap size is actually beneficial to the fight against subs for those reasons.

Shion · **Posted:** Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:32 pm

Ok look, we all will suffer from the update but instead of ramping about it some are directing it to a suggestion (gentlemens idea) and some are taking it directly to the admins, regardless, ramping will not solve anything.

Now, I'm concerned about the sub abuse too. But come on, if a NwO tries to come back managing 10+ alliances in a bigger world will be way more problem than in the past. More alliance cap = less chance for abusers. Tho some super organized subs like GML will have a greater change there will still be no change than having 24 members. A GML with 2 subs and 24 members per sub has more advantages than a GML with 4 subs. Starting with the fact that they'll have less control over the area due to the fact they won't share 24 gates (one per member) but only 14 and will not have an excess of radar coverage, they'll have to think more strategical to plant 14 radars to see everything while other subs will have the same problem trying to get a place in the middle of the others.

Hope that example helps and don't confuse u people worse than Harvys

-Shion

kevinrulez · **Joined:** Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:55 pm **Posts:** 814

Shion wrote:

Hope that example helps and don't confuse u people worse than Harvys

-Shion

Correct >.<

So the point is just organising. I get it...

bork9128 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:12 am

i now understand why they changed the amount and now support the new alliance limits

simmen · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:16 am

shion are talking against the new alliance limits =P
don't so if thats what ur refering to u don't =P

Alexander · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:47 am

I am in the March.

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