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bringerofhate77 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:30 pm **Posts:** 15

I figure I should be the one who brings this up here because this will def be the last era I ever play bd.

Era is advertised as Solo world with no subs and no relic trading. Yet even as I write this over 10 alliance are jumping one I have Skype quotes from these teams saying in there own words that Tvc is winner of era and they will do whatever it takes to get them there. Is that not a sub? is that solo? I think not. Then a player snowfox complains saying that he was told this would be a solo no sub era when he bought tokens the response of Battledawn is to ban him for expecting rules to be upheld on both sides of the game. I Just came back after years of not playing and what I see is filth and fraud. I will like many of my friends who have played in battledawn e5 this era be making a fraud complaint to paypal. Now in terms in policy of bd they don't really have to do anything so I doubt it will do much however if paypal finds them in fraud they will take away there services. Now this is in no way hate towards any of srb they are simply playing the game this is for Battledawn staff.

riski1234567dr · **Posted:** Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:15 pm

This thread has been forwarded to Admin Joe and he will respond when he gets the chance. Thank you for your patience and understanding

-Apollo

bringerofhate77 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:30 pm **Posts:** 15

Admin Joe · **Posted:** Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:04 pm

I highly suggest getting ahold of [email protected] to work out snows ban issue... snow was banned for his own reasons and nothing to do with complaining about anything on sub or family or any cases that has to do with in game issues... I really think before you go on here trying to plead any case you under stand the facts of his banning.

2nd I already gone over this issue with you and your friend and because you don't like the answer your just digging yourself in a bigger hole...

Again, I suggest taking a moment to calm down and realize why you really why snow was banned (if he can tell you the truth on that) and not try and fake a issue on here because your not happy with how a matter is solved.

Admin joe

Seth · **Posted:** Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:21 pm

For our part, a solo era is little more than a mechanical setting that restricts the amount of players that can join any one team. The emphasis here is on mechanical. If an admin decides to police sub alliances, then it is merely the name convention that is being policed.

We have no control over friendships and networking of the players otherwise,and we cannot always just make rules up as we go along either. Sorry. If your mate was banned for PayPal issues,he can contact me on Skype. My Skype ID is tipsy water.

bringerofhate77 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:30 pm **Posts:** 15

so what you are saying is By No subs allowed you mean only that a alliance may not be named WoH and then WoH2? nice covering ass there also admin joe we have not talked in anyway so I don't know what you mean by that this is first time I have spoken with you or any admin regarding e5 Also I have screenshot of why Snow was banned and that was for going to paypal to dispute battledawn because of false advertising for solo world with no subs. Also while you cleary have me mistaken joe you said digging myself a deeper hole? what do you infer by that? that negative actions will be taken against me for questioning a admin? And to seth thank you for your Skype but I would prefer to solve game problems in game fourms and chats not out side of game as my problem is in game not outside of game

bringerofhate77 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:30 pm **Posts:** 15

also just to clear things up then I am fully allowed to suicide anyone I want in e5 in order to insure that my (Family) wins? aswell as give them all ops and all conquers that I have? just so I know for any era coming up that all of that is legal and will not result in ban?

Ilona · **Posted:** Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:35 pm

Its already an admin-player overkill here, so I'll add my stuff too :lol:

First of all: We are not the NSA! We can't and won't control Skype convos, phone calls, or text messages.
We can judge what we can see. And sometimes its not easy to see and sometimes is what you see not what has really happened.

Joe decided to do a 2 members alliance server and he wanted to reduce /eliminate the subs. We all know, that e5 also as 'solo' era was in the hands of 'families'. So he stated that subs could be banned and set the alliance limit to 2. Meaning: Be aware! Play for your own! Don't use others for the dirty work!

On several occasions, it was clear to see when an alliance used subs. Their tag was similar, they had in their bio that they are part of xy family, or they did a broadcast with enough hints.

On other occasions, we admins can't monitor whats really going on or - worst case, we are just wrong. For example:
- players doing a multi account, and create a sub for getting the main (their enemy) banned too
- players are on several servers in a sub, like to be in a sub, join e5 late and think its a good idea to create a sub..... how should they know? I don't think they deserve a ban
- last point: players have subs, but we can't proof it to the point that it would verify a ban

However, no one got banned for asking. No one got banned for complaining.
Thats not the truth and not the point.
Each one of you is free to complain to the world admin, here at the forum or to me whenever you think that we did not do well.

On a side note as it fits here right now: Tokens are consumable like food. You buy them, you spent them (eat them). No one here is forcing you to do one or the other. What you can't do is when you don't like the outcome of an era (funnily after tick 1000) is saying: okay, this has left a sour taste in my mouth - I want my money back.

We admins are here to monitor the game and the player and to make sure that all are able to enjoy the game without running into cheaters, multis, racial comments or anything else that would offend you. We are no gods, we just do our best.
I hope that the whole issue will be solved soon for all parties and that we can go back to where we belong: Fighting others with tactic and skill on the servers and not with lawyers and points of our terms of service.
Cheers,

Ilona

bringerofhate77 · **Joined:** Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:30 pm **Posts:** 15

Wait some of what you just said contradicted what seth said. you stated that point of this no subs was to cut down on these mafias of players where as seth said that was not the point only to make it so namesakes of allainces were not carried over. so which I admin do I listen to? also snow was banned for asking to resolve a problem with paypal so basicly he was refused services for questioning weather he had been misinformed on what he was buying into. now I cant speak for paypal but snow didn't chargeback his bill they did so his ban was because of speaking to a third pary about the chance of false advertising which as far as I know is illegal what you just did was imply a negative action on a customer for seeking legal help from a third party. now lets put that in food wise shall we. Battledawn sells food I go to another store and complain that I think they are falsely advertising there organics and then the store of battledawn bans me from buying food from them? would that be right? cause that illegal

Ilona · **Posted:** Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:40 pm

I really can't see where I was in contradiction to Seths post.

As for snow, it makes no sense to argue about his case. He can contact us in-game, on email, on Skype... He has a lot of options and we won't handle this in publicity.

Let him talk on his own, will ya?

About your food example, I am not sure at all if you understand how it works...

bringerofhate77 wrote:

now lets put that in food wise shall we. Battledawn sells food I go to another store and complain that I think they are falsely advertising there organics and then the store of battledawn bans me from buying food from them? would that be right? cause that illegal

To stick with your example: When you buy food from our store with your credit card and eat it, you can surely go to another store and buy food there too, but you cannot go to your credit card provider some days later and say: "the food from battle dawn wasn't that tasty as the food from the other store - so give me my money back! I will only pay for the other store"

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