It is currently Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:06 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours





Forum locked This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Guns
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:57 pm 
First Lieutenant
First Lieutenant
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:02 pm
Posts: 595
I'm surprised no one had done a topic of this. It's been burned so many times, but with the new Conneticut massacre that happened, I thought it'd be revived much quicker. Guns in the US should NOT be as accesible as they are nowadays. This event, like many many others which can but I won't name, give a hint to it, saying the least. There is no sense in civilians having guns: they're not the army, they're not joining the army, and even though it gives some civilians protection for the streets, it gives other civilians the means to hurt the firsts. Yeah, criminals will get their hands on weapons anyways, but that shouldn't be, and not because of that should we actually make it easier for them and for those who would fail to smuggle weapons in to actually not have to get caught and simply get it for a fraction of what they'd buy it illegally at. These kind of events will continue and WILL get even worse. This is a progressive vermin, in which people get more accostumed to weapons, and to use them indiscriminately. We shouldn't have to wait until a tragedy big enough to touch too many people directly happens. It's already enough with what has happened, and with what is at risk of happening.

_________________
IGN: Vault Dweller


Top
 

 Post subject: Re: Guns
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:02 pm 
Private 1st class
Private 1st class
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:53 pm
Posts: 16
I completely agree, if civilians like you and me can get a hold of weapons and guns, then so can criminals.
It's a messed up system.

_________________
"You can't break a man the way you do a dog or a horse - the harder you beat a man, the taller he stands.” (Far Cry 2)


Top
 

 Post subject: Re: Guns
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:07 pm 
Captain
Captain
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:14 am
Posts: 972
Gender: male
I live in the UK and we don't really have many civilians with guns over here so its not a problem but as far as I am aware wouldn't it be very difficult to retract the guns currently owned by civilians?

_________________
Image

Image

Taz

Skype: tazmoo2


Top
 

 Post subject: Re: Guns
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:07 pm 
Lieutenant Major
Lieutenant Major
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 2:20 pm
Posts: 2198
Location: right here obviously
Gender: female
most americans would go out in a firefight before giving up their firearms. gun control is a lost cause here.

plus nobody is even blaming guns, the sheeple are hammering mass effect xD

_________________
Pretty much dead account


Top
 

 Post subject: Re: Guns
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:09 am 
Captain
Captain
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:06 pm
Posts: 781
Gender: male
Alright, first off it occured in Connecticut, a state which has relatively stricter gun laws compared to many other US states. So gun control wise, this situation isnt the best of examples, it still demonstrates that a relaxed gun culture (USA in general) is not without negatives.

That said...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... ted_States
Look at Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennesee, Missouri, Alabama, South Carolina, etc. They are winning where you dont want to win in terms of lax gun control and high body counts per capita.

That said, same day, a massacre happened in china, 22 children slashed with a knife, no fatalities. China has extensive gun control and a massacre that would have outdone the US one did not unfold. Yes children were injured, yes it was horrible, but those children get to go back to their homes, to their parents. Same cannot be said by those shot.

Something needs to be done
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_sho ... ted_States
That list is disgustingly long.

Dont like to compare USA to Aust but..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_mass_murders

Ever since 1996 port phillip massacre when guns became effectively toxic, there have been 2 mass murders. 1. a fire that killed 15 in 2000 and 2. a shootout by a foreign student at monash uni (where I go, yay!) that killed 2 people.

Oh and findings from Harvard
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hi ... index.html

_________________
Image

-~~Retired Spammer~~-

~Agnostic atheist pastafarian~

Discussion+debates and World Events.


Top
 

 Post subject: Re: Guns
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:38 pm 
Lieutenant Major
Lieutenant Major
User avatar
 WWW  Profile

Joined: Sun May 31, 2009 10:47 pm
Posts: 2416
Location: U.S.A.
Gender: male
Does a pen write a novel? Does a paintbrush make a masterpeice?

If you had taken guns from the equation, this guy would have found another way whether it be to run over kids with a car or go on a rampage with a chainsaw.

You cannot simply do away with evil by regulation.

Also, if you remove the guns from the hands of the civilians, then you are removing them from the LEGAL gun owners. The undesirables are still going to find a way. They may be a bit harder to get, which will make them more expensive, but that wont be a fix all. This will put even more power into the hands of cartels gangs and mafias by opening a new black market for them to sell on.


Perhaps it is time to think about adding a new course to curriculum for aspiring teachers: "Hand gun operation & safety, and concealed weapons permit training" Sad that it has come to that, but I would rather have the person guarding my kids all day ready and able to address anything that should confront them, including some homicidal psychopath, no matter what his weapon of choice, than to see our rights as Americans trampled on any more than they have been since 2001 in the name of "safety".

_________________
Battle Dawn Staff
Community Management Specialist
Technical Support
World Administrator
Music Composer

Welcome to the best free multiplayer war strategy game on the web!


Top
 

 Post subject: Re: Guns
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:41 pm 
Lieutenant Major
Lieutenant Major
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:08 pm
Posts: 1930
Location: England
Gender: male
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0lFHJGX ... e=youtu.be

As much of a pain as he is, cell sums it up pretty well here :P

_________________
ImageImageImage


Top
 

 Post subject: Re: Guns
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:04 am 
First Lieutenant
First Lieutenant
User avatar
 Profile

Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:02 pm
Posts: 595
Seth, that argument is wrong. Just flat-out wrong. How many people would not kill if they see they don't have a gun available? How many people will still carry on with their killing, but fail because they had no access to a weapon? How many weapon dealers would be caught after their risk to get caught increased? How many of those weapon dealers caught would be the ones to supply the weapon/s needed for such a killing? If the percentage is any higher than 0, then taking this measure is worth it. Say whatever way you want around the measure, but this number will always be above 0, and will always be invaluable for that fact, and the fact it is invaluable also means it's necessary. The world moves on, they'll find a way, but in time, we will be able to block each and every single one of them, until the inventive to do such a thing is reduced from generation to generation. It might never fade away, but at least decrease from the chances we live with today.

Right now, not enough people listen to education about firearms, and let's face it: we are humans, we get too trusty with things once we know them, so accidents will always happen, and no ammount of education can 100% guarantee that such a tragedy will not happen with that person. However, being more restrictive with weapons, along with several programs to educate the people about it, and campaigns to create conscience about it, would perhaps not create such a huge inmediate impact: it might be as some have said and it getting worse as the populace would violently reject it - but eventually, it will create much more good than evil (and hell, those who would violently reject this could very well be the ones to violently reject something else using the guns they own, and create a tragedy - who's to say not if he's willing to kill cops or innocents for trying to do things right?) so your argument does not defend your case: in fact, it shows how much society must be educated in order to finally get out of the hellhole we're into, towards a future with less misfortunated cases like these.

And to answer your question, no. But, do you not need something to write in order to write? Do you not need something to paint with in order to paint? Do you not need a gun in order to shoot? And is shooting not one of the most accurate ways to kill or severely injure a person? Shooting a person is nowhere near painting. You can paint a wall and then paint it again with the original color, and nothing changed. Shoot a person, but could that person be brought back to life? How would everyone wish that was true.

_________________
IGN: Vault Dweller


Top
 

 Post subject: Re: Guns
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:57 am 
Sergeant Major
Sergeant Major
User avatar
 WWW  YIM  Profile

Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:48 am
Posts: 7996
Location: Fuyuki City
Gender: male
if they want to kill, they can kill even with bare hand, or maybe a butcher knife that they can easily find inside the kitchen.

_________________
Image


Top
 

 Post subject: Re: Guns
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:30 am 
Lieutenant Major
Lieutenant Major
 Profile

Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:13 pm
Posts: 2047
Quote:
Perhaps it is time to think about adding a new course to curriculum for aspiring teachers: "Hand gun operation & safety, and concealed weapons permit training" Sad that it has come to that, but I would rather have the person guarding my kids all day ready and able to address anything that should confront them, including some homicidal psychopath, no matter what his weapon of choice, than to see our rights as Americans trampled on any more than they have been since 2001 in the name of "safety".


The problem with this is that there are just so many places a psychopath can go to kill a large amount of people. Imagine school security in all schools being buffed up so much that there is no way a killer can get in. Aside from the insane cost involved with this, how does it really solve anything? There is a killer with a gun, he can't get into the school. It's not as if there are no other places where a lot of children or people gather. Just for the sake of examples, a shopping mall, a sports club, playgrounds, theme parks.. There are so many places where people and children gather, it is nigh impossible (or at least not if you do not want to spend trillions of dollars) to prevent stuff like this from happening as long as you have crazy psychopaths walking around with weapons.

_________________
Won both Championship Eras as rank 1.. Waiting to make it 3 out of 3.


Top
 

Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Forum locked This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 33 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours



You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
cron

Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group  
Copyright Tacticsoft Ltd. 2008   
Updated By phpBBservice.nl