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 Post subject: Re: THIS IS REALLY BAD!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:11 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: THIS IS REALLY BAD!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:13 pm 
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Don't worry Joe, you're still my little cuddlebunny :).


Wooot! at least someone out there still likes me!

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 Post subject: Re: THIS IS REALLY BAD!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:21 pm 
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Ponk wrote:

Religion, belief, view, standpoint. Same thing. In this discussion Nazism is viewed as a belief, yet the word religion is being used.
If you would rather use "Belief" than "Religion", then here:
Christianity = Belief.
Judaism = Belief.
Muslim = Belief.
Nazism = Belief.
Nazism still the same and is able to be compared to things that most people would call a "religion."



Well, i had to respond to this one.... You are asking admin to let players carry on with Nazi names etc, and u say that it's a belief. What if another group of players create a alliance named "Al Queda" or "Mujahiddin"? .. would it be OK with you? What if a player creates a colony named "Bin Laden"...? Would that be okay with you too? Coz they can also endorse the idea that "Al Queda" or "Mujahiddin" is a Belief and they are entitled to express it...!! And they can always say that if Nazism can be allowed why not them..!

I believe Joe did the right thing by Warning the players and then Renaming/Banning them when they chose to ignore him. Allowing these kind of things once, will result in opening a Pandora's Box, of which only evil comes out...!!


Regarding someome complaining about Joe having a day job and not responding in a timely manner, Joe always end up fixing whatever issue are reported to him.. you just need to provide him ample proof.. I have played almost all the Joe's worlds and at one point of time, i though of the same way too..But later on it i was able to understand, he can not trust the complaints on "Word Of Mouth" basis and he needs ample evidence to take a tough step. In my opinion Joe is doing a great job and we should appreciate it. Regarding sudden spammers, there are always other admins and you can contact them to help you out , in case Joe is not available at that point of time.


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 Post subject: Re: THIS IS REALLY BAD!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:53 pm 
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You are asking admin to let players carry on with Nazi names etc, and u say that it's a belief.

Yes, I am. Nazism is a belief.
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What if another group of players create a alliance named "Al Queda" or "Mujahiddin"? .. would it be OK with you?

Yes, I would be perfectly fine with it. I'm an American, which is the place that Al Queda attacked. I'm not offended by it at all, I respect their opinion, even though I don't agree with it.
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What if a player creates a colony named "Bin Laden"...? Would that be okay with you too?

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Coz they can also endorse the idea that "Al Queda" or "Mujahiddin" is a Belief and they are entitled to express it...!!

And they would be right. While "Al Queda" and "Mujahideen" are technically not beliefs, they are groups fueled by their beliefs. We think they're wrong, they think we're wrong. No one is wrong. That's how opinions work. If you're offended, imagine their side of it. They might be offended by your opinion that they're horrible people.

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In the end, sorry this is not a debate on the help desk forums. I made my stance clear on the subject. If you wish to address any more issues with what Ilona or any had to say you can msg them directly. Thank you.


As requested by Joe, if you wish to continue this, we can either move to the debate section or message me personally.



My final statement in this topic is that all opinions are equal, no matter what you think of them.


I will not be replying any further on this thread.

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 Post subject: Re: THIS IS REALLY BAD!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:08 pm 
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nazism is a belief, some say that it's a religion, some might say that it's a government system. Watever it is, it's an extreme kind of religion or government, hence it was forced eradicated and all kind of facism related are to be removed and forbidden.

we allow Jewish ppl, we allow Muslims, we allow Christians. However we don't allow extreme religious or such ppl who say nothing but racism remarks, no matter if they are American or Christian, or Iraqi or Muslim.

If u say Nazis are not racism, then maybe u don't know this too well.

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 Post subject: Re: THIS IS REALLY BAD!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:00 am 
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The reason Nazism should be banned on here and the reason nazi gatherings are banned in many countries is not because it is just another belief or religious system, if it was simply that it would be allowed. However, many countries, and BD too, have laws against inciting hatred, which is what is at the core of nazism.

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Nazism (German: Nationalsozialismus; English long form National Socialism) was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany.[1][2][3][4] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[5]


If nazism was simply an extreme belief in the form of economics or any other facet of a country, it would be fine with me. The fact however is that it is a ideology that is centered on both racial hate and antisemitism, and since that is against the law it should be stopped.

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Milan, what was you an admin of kongregate battledawn? that isnt the same as battledawn.com as it has few players, less cheating and the scenarios are completely different, because of the different type of players on both worlds, which i know kong has alot of difference compared to .com as i have played it once.


Kong is very different from .com indeed. .com has more cheating. I don't really see the point you are trying to make here though?

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Also as you said yourself, "was" an admin, since your not an admin you dont have the right to disrespect admins, but read other threads i see you continually disrespecting and giving threats to admins and they seem to be afraid to give you a warning, its like there is something that has happened which we dont know of or they still respect you, shame i cant say the same to you.


If I am not an admin I do not have the *right* to disrespect admins? So who is allowed to criticise the president of the united states, or the prime minister of a country? Criticism should always be allowed and encouraged, no matter who it is coming from. As for being afraid to give me a warning, Seth just gave me a warning. The only thing I can possible think of the make them "afraid" is that I simply have a long experience with Joe and know many people that have that same negative history.

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what i really want to know is why all the hate on the admins? you should know its hard work dealling with so much issues and problems, and i know joe admins few worlds aswell as a job which means its hard for him to deal with EVERY issue that there is, as its hard to miss some.


Let me make that clear, I am not hating on the admins in general. As mentioned to Seth before, I believe Simmen and Ilona are doing a great job. Even Seth seems to be doing good, no complaints there. It is Admin Joe I am interested in, and it is not hate. I am only doing this because I think that with a better admin there would be less complaints and BD would be a more pleasant game.

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i know you will say then he should quit as admin, but then what if he likes this game and as a long admin it is hard for him to quit, also having 2 jobs is an advantage.


I liked being an admin, that's no excuse ;) Understandably it is beneficial from his point of view, but I am looking at this from Battledawn's point of view.

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many people have issues with some admins but they get over it, but what im seeing on forums is you flaming and continually trying to show that you have control of what admins do.

i dont have experience that you do since i was not an admin and i got nothing to do with the BD team or BD staff, im just an ordinary player which shouldnt stick his nose in this.
i think you should stop flaming and showing that you are the bigger.

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Where do I in any way insinuate I have control of what admins do? As I said before, all I am interested in is replacing Joe with a better admin to make Battledawn a more enjoyable game. It is not even personal, I know Joe is a nice guy. He might be a great admin, however he simply does not have enough time to admin effectively in my opinion.


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sorry if....i repeated myself, grammer was bad or spelling ;)
...had other things to say but i forgot since i am busy and dont have the time to argue to someone on other side of the screen.


1 more thing, please do not reply to this in a long essay i dont have time to read a load of crap.


I think this time I only wrote as much as you did, so I hope you don't classify it as a long essay now :)

P.S. Seth, does he get a warning for being "unhelpful" in the Help Desk? Or Ponk, or Aister, or Slayer, or Apollo?

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 Post subject: Re: THIS IS REALLY BAD!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:19 am 
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don't forget Joe has an unhelpful post too ;)

anyway, I understand that u expect more for Joe. Idk Joe much but for me he's doing his best and he's doing quite good, though slower than a normal admin should be. He has been told to be inactive, and do things way later than his promised time, lack of response and comprehension. And he can't really use "working full-time" or "busy" as an excuse.

However, apart from his lack of response to the players, he's doing quite a good job. And while I prefer admins to have good connections with the players, I do understand why Joe doesn't usually respond to players' inquiries.

He has limited time, and he can't really be online as much as the other admins. So I'd want him to spend as much of his time on admining the game, catching cheaters and make sure that the game runs as smooth as possible.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:52 am 
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aister wrote:
don't forget Joe has an unhelpful post too ;)

anyway, I understand that u expect more for Joe. Idk Joe much but for me he's doing his best and he's doing quite good, though slower than a normal admin should be. He has been told to be inactive, and do things way later than his promised time, lack of response and comprehension. And he can't really use "working full-time" or "busy" as an excuse.


That is indeed true. He is doing his best and I am not saying he is not doing anything good, but as you are saying it is often indeed slower than a normal admin SHOULD be. Of course there is no technical breach of contract, as everyone is well aware of admins should log in every 24 hours and I don't believe he is going over that limit (although he has in the past). However when you are playing a world actively and have multies popping up and spamming you etc, I prefer to have an admin who doesn't just log in every 24 hours but is actually active.

Also in that same round, the ending time he set and broadcasted was tick 2150, so I made sure to have everything ready for tick 2150, and then the world didn't actually end until tick 2165. It's only 15 hours, but I would like admins who are there the tick they are supposed to end the world and don't make mistakes like that.

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However, apart from his lack of response to the players, he's doing quite a good job. And while I prefer admins to have good connections with the players, I do understand why Joe doesn't usually respond to players' inquiries.

He has limited time, and he can't really be online as much as the other admins. So I'd want him to spend as much of his time on admining the game, catching cheaters and make sure that the game runs as smooth as possible.


I agree that in the limited time he has I'd rather have him admin effectively than message everyone. What I am simply saying is that I would rather have an admin who does not have that limited time and who can do more for the players.

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 Post subject: Re: THIS IS REALLY BAD!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:17 pm 
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about the era end, I believe that we already fix it, as the tick paused when the era ended to wait for the admin to get on. And unless u have access to the internet every single minute of the day, getting online right as the era end is a very hard if not impossible job.

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about the era end, I believe that we already fix it, as the tick paused when the era ended to wait for the admin to get on. And unless u have access to the internet every single minute of the day, getting online right as the era end is a very hard if not impossible job.


Actually it is not, since you as admin decide when it ends. It just takes some planning ahead.

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