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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:50 am 
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ALRIGHTY. ONE SIDED?

AUSTRALIAN TO THE RESCUE.

there is a republican senate. they are in control and severely limit the bills passing through, moreover, there is an unusual level of hostility. reagan raised the debt ceiling 8 times, or someting like that, it is something that USA does year after year every year to maintain the growing size of USA.

lets see, he did inherit a problem yes, and look at how things are in the 3rd year, that unemployment rate is falling, and instead of hearing 'unemployment rate falls' you hear the usual faux news 'people are working less hours, but more people are working, total employment remains the same'. you might want to know where they pull that from and it eventually comes to this empty box which just has the label 'rhetoric' on it.

lincoln inherited the civil war and it did turn out bad. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED? did you know it was the bloodiest conflict up until that point? to claim sunshine and lollipops is just plain silly if not ignorant to the extreme.
obama is fixing it. check latest employment numbers.

-debt
http://xkcd.com/980/huge/#x=-10706&y=-7223&z=6

that debt clock is misleading.
http://www.debtclock.com.au/
australia. 1/10 the size of USA, experiencing mining boom, manufacturing falter (due to AUD on par with USD when it used to be 0.7 to the dollar), economy relatively unscathed through the GFC. we had some sackings, but it was business as usual and yet look at that debt. you should note that the entire world is in debt to the entire world. money flows free and money flows fast. it is well known practice to link countries together economically by debt. the main reason a china US war is unforseeable in the future since both economies would be brutually destroyed within weeks before even the first bullet is fired and markets scramble to run away from the hostilities between the two countries.

as for the pipeline, i dont know where you pulled 100 000 jobs, but im assuming its also that box labelled 'rhetoric'. conservative figure is 6000 jobs. OIL INDUSTRY-> aka, the guys who want this, have the number higher at 20 000. 100 000 was pulled out from someone's nether regions and repeated as fact until hopefully, someone not particularly bright will repeat it too as fact.

obama greeted foreign diplomat. SHOCK. HORROR. OH NOES.

irregardless of if you want obama or not, the republican primaries seem to be disappointing enough for obama to cruise through to a second term, despite the hate machine of faux.

stimulus spending -> cheaper than iraq war. FAR FAR cheaper if you factor in the medicaid costs for returning soldiers (something you cant get rid off otherwise you are an unpatriot US hating communist)

300+ bil of it was in TAX BREAKS.

medicare reform has been needed for years. that much is certain. you often see a bunch of predominately old caucasians against medicare when they benefit most from medicaid which has experienced plenty of success as it was given the limelight in politics.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
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what he said.

I am sorry, I dont care if Barry Soetoro raised the dead, the man signed the NDAA into law, and is just another proponent of the "New World Order" elitist /globalist agenda.

You will not find me being a fan of the new world order.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:44 am 
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what he said.

I am sorry, I dont care if Barry Soetoro raised the dead, the man signed the NDAA into law, and is just another proponent of the "New World Order" elitist /globalist agenda.

You will not find me being a fan of the new world order.


how unfortunate, you are one of those NWO nutters :/

conjecture and paranoia = conspiracy.
notice there is no facts involved in that equation.

Btw haters, buckle in, this republican candidate race is dismal. romney leads by less than 10 points to santorum but sometimes outspends santorum 50:1.

so... since this thread has died. incoming 2 cents based on whatever info on the republican race i can get here in aust (bless piracy, allows me to stream and torrent things that arent available outside USA due to small market share)

so we have an out of touch, rich business man with questionable values as they seem to slide the more desperate he is. he appears to have the rough general backing of most republicans as he is the most stable candidate but his recently attempts to be more conservative mean more moderates are lost and not too many further right wing voters are gained since they seem to just back santorum

and then we have this. santorum. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OaBNOomwD0. extremely conservative. imo. has no hope. no hope at all, in winning a general election against more moderate obama. by appealing to the fringe, by hating on everything ranging from women's rights to contraception in general, he has definitely lost the moderate voters which is the only reason why romney is more suitable.

Gingrinch - hahhahaahahahahahaha
might strike a deal with santorum to oust romney by fusing their delegates together to outplay him. could result in an interesting play later in the race.

ron paul - the outsider, he differs from the others and as a result suffers for it. as much as i admire dr paul. he has no chance when faced against big spender romney who represents the republican party in general far better than the idealism of dr paul or the santorum + gingrinch combo for complete fringe right vote. it is however nice to have him in the race as a gauge for just how popular he is.

in a toe to toe battle for the white house against obama, romney could pull it off if he completely steps back and goes moderate right vs moderate left. could result in plenty of poison in the republican party when it turns out he doesnt think homosexuals arent people or have a similiar attitude comparable with santorum, such backlash would be negligible since those kind of people wont vote for obama.

ron paul - would be interesting to see how well he does with the entire party backing him, with a lot of the media pundits backing off. but after however many months bad mouthing ron paul i cant see them saving face doing so.

santorum/gingrinch - HAAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/end rant with this unbiased fact about obama
he is most likely going to win and get a 2nd term. his chance of getting office in 2012 is far greater than the other republican candidates.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:48 pm 
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how unfortunate, you are one of those NWO nutters :/


I dont particularly believe in the new world order stuff. But ummm...if in 2003 someone had said, the Iraq war was a lie, or whatever we criticize these wars for today, he'd have been called a conspiracy theorist too. You know what I mean?

But, yeah basically what the New world order is, is to establish corporate dominance everywhere - in simple terms. I suppose any reasonable corporation would have this ambition.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
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But ummm...if in 2003 someone had said, the Iraq war was a lie, or whatever we criticize these wars for today, he'd have been called a conspiracy theorist too. You know what I mean?

Well no. Not from somebody smart.


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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
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how unfortunate, you are one of those NWO nutters :/


I dont particularly believe in the new world order stuff. But ummm...if in 2003 someone had said, the Iraq war was a lie, or whatever we criticize these wars for today, he'd have been called a conspiracy theorist too. You know what I mean?

But, yeah basically what the New world order is, is to establish corporate dominance everywhere - in simple terms. I suppose any reasonable corporation would have this ambition.


wrong. as -
A. the weapons were never verified to exist, only believed to exist.
B. the war was illegal, it never went through the proper process and instead was rushed and broke conventions.
C. people oppose war all the time for various reasons. i doubt that opposing the war would result in the label of conspiracy nut.

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A. the weapons were never verified to exist, only believed to exist.
B. the war was illegal, it never went through the proper process and instead was rushed and broke conventions.
C. people oppose war all the time for various reasons. i doubt that opposing the war would result in the label of conspiracy nut.


The war was wrong, for these reasons yes. But the fact that this war was also for natural resources aka oil, and to establish other American businesses like weapons sales, services provided to the US army etc, cannot be ignored. Basically, the new world order theory might be a bit far fetched and unrealistic today, but the fact that corporate dominance aka strategic interests, WERE and still ARE a major reason for wars and regime changes in the middle east cannot be ignored.

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