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 Post subject: Re: Supporter Treatment
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:47 pm 
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Let me start my argument with 1 question: Why do we play BD?

Is it to see supporters doing whatever the hell they want, the only way to win an era being who cheats the most? Obviously, most of you will say no.

Giving a break to supporters 4 cheeating encourages just that. Giving an example: when you see youre getting an infair treat just because you dont have enough money, that pisses any1 off. When a supporter has used up, say, 2k dollars on a game, and gets banned 4, like, 48 hours or so, and looses his army, he most probably will rage-quit. If he doesnt get banned, he might stay and spend some more. But what of the many players affeced by this supporter, who see in frustration that, because of his status, he remains unpunished and continuing his wrong deeds? Most of them will complain. If their voices are not heard, they leave. Sooner or later, there would be very little players. And even less incoming ppl, as they see how the supporters control everything, and not see any way to even learn the game appropietly.

This game is for every player, not just the buyers. Supporters keep the game running, but every1 plays it. If we promote fair treat, the noobies will have a chance. The non-boosters will have a chance. The supporters will still have the most chances.

Example: any random world, tick 500. Every top alliance is less than 300 score behind each other. They cant cheat, and theyre equal to each other in boosting. Isnt that more fun, than a single alliance having, say, 10k score, and the #2 having just half or less, just cus the #1 has more boosters, farms and account shares? An equal fight also promotes the players 2 buy reds, and being more dedicated to BD. This keeps the game running: fun. Simple as that. The day we convert BD from a game to a business, its the day it shuts down. Because were not here 4 a business, were here 4 a game. And when it is true that we all have lies, it isnt unjust 2 loose our armies or something when youre asleep, or when u go with your gf/bf, or something like that. Use your skill to prevent this from happening, or just live with it. We all do. Pray to Lady Luck and take a nap. If you have a life, so does the person who destroyed your army. And Im sure no1 complains when you find an enemy sleeping ;)

And if something like this happens, theres always another world. Some other era perhaps. If you cant be more active, then play it as you can. And if you win, youll b much more satisfied with yourself, than having an Admin hand you the win by accepting suggestions like this.

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 Post subject: Re: Supporter Treatment
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:57 pm 
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vault we arent even on that argument anymore

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 Post subject: Re: Supporter Treatment
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:00 pm 
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While your concerns are notable, keep in mind the administration is not physic.

As well as the recent detachment between players and mod, they are most likely not going to see things through your point of view.


Keeping that all on the record.

Players are banned everyday.


According to terms of service, Tacticsoft has the right to terminate anyone's account, for any reason they see fit as a violation of rules.

As for supporters getting off easy? I agree with you somewhat.

I've been playing this game for a very long time, even before these tokens came about.

Players will troll, multi, and such, and be banned indefinably for the given round. I've had former friends send me screen shots of a black screen, and a message saying they had been PERM banned.

While i've played against players who, I personally discovered they were cheating, provided prove, successfully had them banned, only to watch them come back 48-72 hours later.

We're they supporters? Most likely, based on how their scores jumped at the given times.

But this does not necessarily mean that the Administration is playing favorites, or at-least not on purpose.

My short time as a mod, how short it was, revealed a bit of a light on things.

The current administration may, or may not be relaxing on cheaters who are supporters but it is defiantly not intentional. But then again, I would have to say that highly depends on the admin.

I'm not saying your wrong, I'm purely saying your giving them way to much credit.

Regardless of truth to the matter, Many players, including myself sometimes feel that "Supporting" is defiantly a factor when it comes to the rules.

ps: I've had rounds where we tripled the enemies score, through pure brute force, and wars.

Does that mean we cheated? Not all players who win do so in a dishonorable manner. Usually someone who is driven to cheat is someone who would loose if they did not do so.

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 Post subject: Re: Supporter Treatment
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:18 pm 
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Spyda, I agree with what you said my friend. And with you LC. The one thing you got me wrong was not banning a player for the multi issue and paying off the reporter. I said ban him, but compensate the losses incurred by the reporter. I just said dont perm ban, give a ban that a player does not know how long he is banned for. Which is what happens most of the time.

But I can go with what you said Spyda. Thats what I was getting at. Atleast I could not said it better.

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Usually someone who is driven to cheat is someone who would loose if they did not do so.


Indeed.

And very nice Julius Ceasar. That showed only 2 or 3 people actually thought about it in this thread :D Spyda, LC, JC

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According to terms of service, Tacticsoft has the right to terminate anyone's account, for any reason they see fit as a violation of rules.


This could be a rule Elric. But cannot be enacted just like that. Its an abusive rule and can be interpreted in anyway which makes it dangerous to use it.

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 Post subject: Re: Supporter Treatment
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:21 am 
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Bigest problem i have is. Why is this even a problem? Dont cheat ore do enything worng at this wont be problem.

Players that do not follow the rules should not get enything back when they do get caught doing it. If it was wrong ban sure they should get back what they have lost. Only players that should get somthng back from cheating is the once that is hurt by it.

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 Post subject: Re: Supporter Treatment
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:19 am 
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torpet wrote:
Bigest problem i have is. Why is this even a problem? Dont cheat ore do enything worng at this wont be problem.

I think those two sentences sum up what I mean. Don't cheat and it won't be a problem. If you know you have spent 2000$ on a era, don't be stupid enough to farm, because YOU know you will have lost 2000$.

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 Post subject: Re: Supporter Treatment
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:58 am 
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Going back to the idea of having a minister etc.

My original idea I believe, was to have a "pooled assets" type of thing, where alliance members could have the option of creating units and assigning them to a pool, so in effect they could have the freedom to determine how much of their force they wanted to commit to the pool. Who would get the ability, and how much of that ability, to move the units would need more discussion, but it seemed a viable and proactive way to address cheating and account sharing. I do not remember exactly why I was shot down on this matter, as it has been some time.


Once again, I want to emphasize that I, in no way enjoy banning people. It is among my least favorite things about this job. However, I do like having the satisfaction of having among all of the BD worlds, arguably the cleanest through my efforts (at least I like to think so).

Regardless of how I feel about it, I feel the vast majority of the players who come to my worlds expect this of me, and are quick to call BS on me if I fail to keep my footing in those efforts.

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 Post subject: Re: Supporter Treatment
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:07 pm 
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Bigest problem i have is. Why is this even a problem? Dont cheat ore do enything worng at this wont be problem.

Players that do not follow the rules should not get enything back when they do get caught doing it. If it was wrong ban sure they should get back what they have lost. Only players that should get somthng back from cheating is the once that is hurt by it.


Its because its too idealistic torpet. Its an internet game. You have thousands logging in. Statistically its not possible that people here wont cheat. And practically too. But how you handle it should be also be practical and not too idealistic. He cheated, so he deserves to lose 2k dollars is not the right attitude.

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 Post subject: Re: Supporter Treatment
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:15 pm 
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look we're not saying allowing multies and farming and if you would read my last rant you would see where my problem about this is

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 Post subject: Re: Supporter Treatment
PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:56 pm 
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Why is that. I have played this game now for about 4 ore 5 years and never had ENY problems whit not staying to the rules. So why should it now sudenly be a problem for players to it the right way and win?
Maybe then have a look at their own ability on how they play.

Dont mather how much you put in to this game money ore time. One treatment for rulebrakers. Same whit real customers. You lose you good trusting if you have to many shady clients.

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