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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:14 am 
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Krypton wrote:

Now Dane, i wonder when you will choose the way of objectivity instead of always trying to demonstrate what you personaly want to thinK.


btw, at this stage of the era, for me, it's 84% of my conquers deleted, just to point when you use hypotheses for a demonstration, you need them to be verified before develop your analyse, and i dont think you can make your dreams come true so easily, the truth is stronger than your dreams.



Sorry, I just don't know how to be any more objective than using pure mathematics to prove that my assertions are correct.


Also, 84% of your conquers are deleted because you are not getting any more conquers. Go get some more.

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deadsummoner when your actually in a "good allaince" then come back here and talk to us pro's about your opinions.

We are VULC idk if you have seen us play but the phrase how bad we play doesnt even go in the same sentence as us please take that somwhere else.

We PLAN to go to servers to challenge the allainces that are "elite"

We go as VULC from the beggining we do not hide what allaince we are when we play serious

Sephiroth can back me on that lol we went into e3 with VULC tag

kindly go back to the noob section and sit down :)



LOL. I'm distinctly unimpressed. Telling us that you're awesome over and over again will not prove anything, you have to show it on the field. I don't care if you were just relaxing at the beginning of the era or not, I really don't care how much power or how many squads you have or how many you would have if you had played more seriously. You guys show almost no intelligent strategy on the field. I've been watching your squads accomplish basically nothing for about 800 ticks now, as you miss opportunity after opportunity and routinely make terrible mistakes in judgment while attacking. I'm sorry, man, I know how much you love telling us what your alliance name is, but you're just no good.

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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:48 am 
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What is POKE then??? As we have pushed them back continuously, Also with there allie TR and Pika??? it isnt like 420 is pushing atm? only our rank 17 sub so what is there good strategy that you see " "
If we have no strategy then why has POKE/TR/Pika not conquered us then with there distinct power advantage.

Also im pretty positive you lost to them a few eras back what strategy did you have? obviously one that got you no where

So good luck pushing the we have no strategy cause one with no strategy wouldnt that guy lose quick? you impress me with your idiocy and how you set yourself up

It is not bragging when there is proof we are good lol all you have to do is ask someone


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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:55 am 
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]it makes me rage wen i hear people say this...cause i for 1 hate boosting and i ve never done so...



This is my only reply to dead summoner

Thought you said its just a game enjoy it? then why do you rage?? ;D


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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:57 am 
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I'm distinctly impressed of Dane's idiocy... thinking he is fine and clever, but spending his whole time to trash talk and empty his crap bag, without an inch of objectivity.
His so called "pure maths" to illustrate his mind doesnt change he is wrong, from the first postulate saying Poke didnt boost.
He can have his own opinion, but his arguments are worthy of a clown.

we are not good, indeed, but Poke is not very much better, less when you know how much they boosted to recover +600 power in 200 tix.
That is all there is to say, no need to argue for days.

but, that doesnt matter, coming from the clown he is.
He has no idea how ridiculous he appears to everyone.
He brights by his ignorance and spreads his idiocy.
and, btw, he is not in poke, so i dont see why he talks for them.

Manage your own business, Dane, you will appear less ridiculous, then.


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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:45 am 
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skooby111 wrote:
]it makes me rage wen i hear people say this...cause i for 1 hate boosting and i ve never done so...



This is my only reply to dead summoner

Thought you said its just a game enjoy it? then why do you rage?? ;D


well i enjoy raging from time to time...every1 knows that ;)

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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:55 am 
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hitchinsd wrote:
I'll just copy this from the other thread...

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btw, Poke, what you ask, is bulls battles against HSH, not a problem for Poke so much they boost and so fast they recover their losses with an indecent way.
Always the same problem, when money kill the fair game.


Let's do some math, shall we?

POKE currently has six relics, which means each member is receiving a bonus of 120 metal per tick.

They're also averaging somewhere around 80 conquers each - a few members are at 120+ and some of them only around 30-40, so let's say they have averaged 80 conquers. At this stage in the game it is customary for almost half of your conquers to have been deleted, so we will assume that they have only kept 40 of those conquers, and that each conquer is netting them an average of 5 metal each. 5 times 40 is 200.

Let's also say that they are averaging 750 workers each. This is a poor estimate, and if I was running a serious alliance I would have big problems with a 750 average, but I don't want anyone to think I'm giving them too much credit here so we'll say 750, which would net them 150 metal per tick from workers, and another 20 metal per tick from structures.

So now we have 120 + 200 + 150 + 20 = 490 metal per tick, AVERAGE.



Now, POKE currently has 1443 power, and we previously stated that we are going to assume they have 750 workers, and so an even 30 of their power is coming from workers, times 10 members is 300 power from workers. 1443-300 is 1143 power from military. Each 10 soldiers is 1 power, so 1143 times 10 is 11,430 soldiers in their army, divided by 10 means each member has 1,143 soldiers (or 571 vehicles, or 381 mechs).

You get +12% overhead for every 100 soldiers, so each POKE member has (12x11) 132% overhead.


Okay, so let's assume one of them is killed. One POKE member falls asleep and his army gets wiped out, and now you're saying that they're using red tokens to make it so he can regenerate his army much faster and get back in the game, right?

Well, when I run a serious alliance and we are in this position, what I normally do is have my members give their resources to the one whose army is gone. Let's see how that works out:

We will assume that 3 of the POKE members help out the one whose army died. Each POKE member has 490 metal per tick, and there are 48 ticks in one day. 490 times 48 is 23,520 metal in one day. 23,520 times 3 members is 70,560 metal PER DAY. We will assume that they cooperate like this for five days, and then go back to normal.

70,560 metal per day times 5 days is 352,800. A full squad at 0% overhead costs 5,000 metal to build, but we will assume that during the building process, you have an average of 65% overhead, which means each squad costs you 8,250 metal to build.

352,800 divided by 8,250 is:

42.7 SQUADS CONSTRUCTED IN 5 DAYS TIME.


And no reds involved.

42.7 squads is roughly 1283 workers used in the construction process, so I'm not saying this process is perfect and without flaws - but certainly that it is possible. With his army gone and 0% overhead, the person would have a very large worker growth for the initial part of the rebuilding process, and certainly he could use blues instead of reds to keep his worker count up.


You left out crystals. They have a large number of crystals witch will add to worker growth and income.

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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:07 pm 
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I just wish to say we know POKE boost. Why are you MAD about it? It pays for the game your playing right now. They help pay for the game, its only fair they get an advantage over the rest of us.

I dont see why everyone is hating on them when they are great people. Have you ever talked to them? They are some of the nicest BD players i have ever met. They dont lie to people, they never back-stab, they dont try and turn allies on each other witch im sorry to say, HSH cant say. I like HSH i think Juls is a great guy, however they have tried to turn all of POKEs allies against them.
From the start of this war, every alliance outside of POKE and TR tried to get me to betray POKE, and almost all of you were allied with POKE.

Dont hate on POKE when all of you were planning on stabbing them in back from the beginning. I have messages from 420 BAMF HSH EKOE CLAW HAs and a couple others all trying to convince me to betray POKE.

Dont hate on POKE because they boost, when the entire world has been trying to kill them.

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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:12 pm 
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felgrand08 wrote:
You left out crystals. They have a large number of crystals witch will add to worker growth and income.


Yeah, I also left out mineral mines, but I didn't want to overdo it and I didn't even need the extra income to prove it was possible. But forget it, these hsh guys don't understand how math works and they seem to think we can fake a mathematical equation to give us the answer that we want.

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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:26 pm 
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we are not completely stupid, Dane, to know when an alliance lose 2 members in a battle, the 8 others help them to rebuild in no time. Your maths here are basically correct.

But, the point is, Poke lost 6 members in 1 shot, tick 1279, and were down to power 870.
I wonder here how your maths come in rescue to affirm they didnt boost like damneds to jump to power 1500 at tick 1510, so +630 power in 230 tix, to recover 6 members in no time, coming all back much more strong than the 3 members HSH lost in that battle.

This is obvious, the era was falsified here, with money, is all i want to say.

when you play the game that way, you still can kill 10 times your opponents, making it completely useless if they can come back stronger in 200 tix.
That is exactly where the boost hability falsifies the game and makes it stupid.

Dont forget, BD is not made to show the skill, but is a company dedicated to make financial profits.

once you have understood this, you still can affirm that HSH is bad, sorry, but the skill is not resumed in the deep of your wallets. So yes, HSH must often run under Poke wallets, that doesnt mean they are less good.

oh, and i have enough of that chat. Argue if you want, i dont care more.


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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:21 pm 
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I thought highly of VULC. You guys had an amazing reputation, and were thought of among the highest. When I heard it was you here, I was excited. Mars2 has brought a few legends to play, can't not be a fun era.

Though its a shame when you get to talk to 'legends'. (Besides Juls, SoF, Celene & possibly one or two I've not spoken with) you all have a horrible attitude, and negative way to play. You're vindictive, domineering, and generally have no banter about you. All you do is complain about how things are unfair, how the other team plays a different way to you. Well allow me to school you in one aspect: don't like it, don't play.

I thoroughly enjoy logging on and having a laugh with the friends I've made over the eras. We play as a brotherhood, to play together. It's fun, it gives us enjoyment.

If this isn't your cup of tea, don't get upset. Play another world. Or better yet, play another game. Why not start Vulc for Mario Kart?

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