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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:28 pm 
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How many times they disbanded? Once or twice? How many BRs of POKE losing you have?


POKE are such great boosters....that we kill their 30sh squads one day and in 3 days they come back with 50 specially anti HSH designed squads.

If they win is with money not skill

Proven many times this era.

well...Seth must be very happy for this era :)

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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:14 pm 
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ofor4 wrote:
How many times they disbanded? Once or twice? How many BRs of POKE losing you have?


POKE are such great boosters....that we kill their 30sh squads one day and in 3 days they come back with 50 specially anti HSH designed squads.

If they win is with money not skill

Proven many times this era.

well...Seth must be very happy for this era :)

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Surprisingly conquers help a lot too. Could try getting a few before you throw your dummy out your pram.

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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:26 pm 
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I'll just copy this from the other thread...

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btw, Poke, what you ask, is bulls battles against HSH, not a problem for Poke so much they boost and so fast they recover their losses with an indecent way.
Always the same problem, when money kill the fair game.


Let's do some math, shall we?

POKE currently has six relics, which means each member is receiving a bonus of 120 metal per tick.

They're also averaging somewhere around 80 conquers each - a few members are at 120+ and some of them only around 30-40, so let's say they have averaged 80 conquers. At this stage in the game it is customary for almost half of your conquers to have been deleted, so we will assume that they have only kept 40 of those conquers, and that each conquer is netting them an average of 5 metal each. 5 times 40 is 200.

Let's also say that they are averaging 750 workers each. This is a poor estimate, and if I was running a serious alliance I would have big problems with a 750 average, but I don't want anyone to think I'm giving them too much credit here so we'll say 750, which would net them 150 metal per tick from workers, and another 20 metal per tick from structures.

So now we have 120 + 200 + 150 + 20 = 490 metal per tick, AVERAGE.



Now, POKE currently has 1443 power, and we previously stated that we are going to assume they have 750 workers, and so an even 30 of their power is coming from workers, times 10 members is 300 power from workers. 1443-300 is 1143 power from military. Each 10 soldiers is 1 power, so 1143 times 10 is 11,430 soldiers in their army, divided by 10 means each member has 1,143 soldiers (or 571 vehicles, or 381 mechs).

You get +12% overhead for every 100 soldiers, so each POKE member has (12x11) 132% overhead.


Okay, so let's assume one of them is killed. One POKE member falls asleep and his army gets wiped out, and now you're saying that they're using red tokens to make it so he can regenerate his army much faster and get back in the game, right?

Well, when I run a serious alliance and we are in this position, what I normally do is have my members give their resources to the one whose army is gone. Let's see how that works out:

We will assume that 3 of the POKE members help out the one whose army died. Each POKE member has 490 metal per tick, and there are 48 ticks in one day. 490 times 48 is 23,520 metal in one day. 23,520 times 3 members is 70,560 metal PER DAY. We will assume that they cooperate like this for five days, and then go back to normal.

70,560 metal per day times 5 days is 352,800. A full squad at 0% overhead costs 5,000 metal to build, but we will assume that during the building process, you have an average of 65% overhead, which means each squad costs you 8,250 metal to build.

352,800 divided by 8,250 is:

42.7 SQUADS CONSTRUCTED IN 5 DAYS TIME.


And no reds involved.

42.7 squads is roughly 1283 workers used in the construction process, so I'm not saying this process is perfect and without flaws - but certainly that it is possible. With his army gone and 0% overhead, the person would have a very large worker growth for the initial part of the rebuilding process, and certainly he could use blues instead of reds to keep his worker count up.

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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:58 am 
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in the battle where Poke lost 6 members, they recovered 630 power in 230 tix, from 870 to 1500, from tick 1280 to 1510.

Now Dane, i wonder when you will choose the way of objectivity instead of always trying to demonstrate what you personaly want to thinK.

HSH had 1100 power after that battle, you wont tell us stories. It is obvious for everyone Poke abused of red toks to increase their power so fast, to rebuild 6 members in such a short delay.

Stop arguing as if red boosting was a shame, the true statement is here, face and accept it, dont be so naive.
In an utopic fair game, without dollars interfering, an alliance losing 6 members cant recover +600 power in 200 tix.

Again, red toks are part of the game (sadly or not, for the best or the worst), it is obvious Poke used (abused) of them - 1) at the beginning - 2) right after their big battle lost. Those who used them, know how much,

you can stretch your statements as much as you want, but you need more objectivity to be credible.

btw, at this stage of the era, for me, it's 84% of my conquers deleted, just to point when you use hypotheses for a demonstration, you need them to be verified before develop your analyse, and i dont think you can make your dreams come true so easily, the truth is stronger than your dreams.

Not all Poke members abused of boost, but enough members to falsify the era.


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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:24 am 
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Krypton wrote:
in the battle where Poke lost 6 members, they recovered 630 power in 230 tix, from 870 to 1500, from tick 1280 to 1510.

Now Dane, i wonder when you will choose the way of objectivity instead of always trying to demonstrate what you personaly want to thinK.

HSH had 1100 power after that battle, you wont tell us stories. It is obvious for everyone Poke abused of red toks to increase their power so fast, to rebuild 6 members in such a short delay.

Stop arguing as if red boosting was a shame, the true statement is here, face and accept it, dont be so naive.
In an utopic fair game, without dollars interfering, an alliance losing 6 members cant recover +600 power in 200 tix.

Again, red toks are part of the game (sadly or not, for the best or the worst), it is obvious Poke used (abused) of them - 1) at the beginning - 2) right after their big battle lost. Those who used them, know how much,

you can stretch your statements as much as you want, but you need more objectivity to be credible.

btw, at this stage of the era, for me, it's 84% of my conquers deleted, just to point when you use hypotheses for a demonstration, you need them to be verified before develop your analyse, and i dont think you can make your dreams come true so easily, the truth is stronger than your dreams.

it makes me rage wen i hear people say this...cause i for 1 hate boosting and i ve never done so...but people like u r too much busy whining bout how bad they play and how badly they want to boost,so out of jeallousy they point fingers at others...i mean u obvioulsy didnt check POKE's member's stats cause if u did u wouldnt ve called em boosters...while on the other hand u can check HSH's stats and see who is boosting...and besides this thread was soul'ly bassed on disbanding units but people like u r soo frustrated by their inability to boost that they just had to whine bout it anywhere they could talk bout it...
i am at soo much peace rite now...always wanted to say this lol *mind my spellings please hehe*
peace

i did say this in the other topic but u didnt reply to it so i am posting it here for haters/jeallous people like u :P
and i cant stress enough to check the stats of POKE and to ur *i am down to my 84% of conquers* well beleive it or not people do tend to get more conquers all through the era...they dnt just get 10 and leave it at that but alas u r too much of a whiny little brat to see that...so keep on whining and blaming others for ur short comings...enjoy ^_^

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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:27 am 
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but people like u r too much busy whining bout how bad they play and how badly they want to boost, so out of jeallousy they point fingers at others[/quote]


i have enough money in bank to buy ... the whole server ... but i dont want to put money in that game.

and, about "how bad i play", you need to be more persuasive than such a poor argument.


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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:45 am 
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i like how u countered such a small portion of my reply lol
probably got angry bout that part only while u couldnt argue about the rest ;)

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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:07 am 
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deadsummoner when your actually in a "good allaince" then come back here and talk to us pro's about your opinions.

We are VULC idk if you have seen us play but the phrase how bad we play doesnt even go in the same sentence as us please take that somwhere else.

We PLAN to go to servers to challenge the allainces that are "elite"

We go as VULC from the beggining we do not hide what allaince we are when we play serious

Sephiroth can back me on that lol we went into e3 with VULC tag

kindly go back to the noob section and sit down :)


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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:17 am 
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not really, i just dont need to waste my time answering such a crappy bag that will drive no where. You dont worst the travel, when i see the level of your reply.
Consider, i dont whine, i only put yourself in front on Poke best skill, to push on the boost button.
You can lie to yourself, and call people names, but no one is naive, and honestly, when you start to use this kind of arguments, you really have nothing more interesting to debate.
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 Post subject: Re: POKE vs HSH
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:33 am 
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skooby111 wrote:
deadsummoner when your actually in a "good allaince" then come back here and talk to us pro's about your opinions.

We are VULC idk if you have seen us play but the phrase how bad we play doesnt even go in the same sentence as us please take that somwhere else.

We PLAN to go to servers to challenge the allainces that are "elite"

We go as VULC from the beggining we do not hide what allaince we are when we play serious

Sephiroth can back me on that lol we went into e3 with VULC tag

kindly go back to the noob section and sit down :)

yeah i know bout u guys...but i wasnt talking bout u juls i was talking about krypton lol and i know u guys r good but meh too arrogant...and that wont do u any good :)
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not really, i just dont need to waste my time answering such a crappy bag that will drive no where. You dont worst the travel, when i see the level of your reply.
Consider, i dont whine, i only put yourself in front on Poke best skill, to push on the boost button.
You can lie to yourself, and call people names, but no one is naive, and honestly, when you start to use this kind of arguments, you really have nothing more interesting to debate.
Enjoy too

wat do u mean u dnt waste time answering to these forums? mind scrolling up or going to the other topic and checking the leangth of ur replies...that just shows how frustrated u r lol and i still dnt get how u can say POKE rellies solely on boost wen only the amount of one of our player's OP caped is more than HSH's 5+ people easy lol
but meh sorry if u guys got offended...i didnt ve any intention to do so,its just a game so enjoy it :P

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