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 Post subject: Re: BYZ/WHO/VG et al. vs BoS/LOIC et al. - UPDATE -
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my response was against noobin personally becaause my alliance was mention in the list of subs helping.

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 Post subject: Re: BYZ/WHO/VG et al. vs BoS/LOIC et al. - UPDATE -
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 Post subject: Re: BYZ/WHO/VG et al. vs BoS/LOIC et al. - UPDATE -
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:36 pm 
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First of all, sorry that it has taken me so damn long to respond to your post Vault, no insult intended, have just been incredibly busy managing BYZ + moving in with girlfriend + starting last semester of University. BUT, here I am, and here is your response.

Now, to respond in-line:

thechessshark13 wrote:

Colin, you don't have better everything. All you have is better tricks and a much bigger number of both active allies and allies in general.


Heh, maybe I did get a little cocky making this statement, easy to get myself worked up and carried away. Your side has been amazing this entire round, the fact that it is nearly tick 2,000 and the war really didn't appear finally won (or its inevitability sealed I should say) until a couple hundred ticks ago speaks volumes to that.

Do I have more allies? Yes. Do I have more active allies? Yes. My only problem with this repeated statement from you guys is the negativity directed at me, as if I should be ashamed of it. The fact of the matter is my side killed virtually all of your allies this round, or they went inactive. A great leader needs to keep not only his own alliance motivated and organized, but his subs and allies as well if they appear to be slipping. Anyways, moving on...

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You match BoS and LOIC in a lot of other things, of course, yet now I must speak for BoS in that we're not the side whining and complaining about every single trick our enemies use, and you guys have used the dirtiest of tricks throughout the era.


True, BoS have not been the ones "complaining" 99% of the time. I hear the complaints more from LOIC than BoS, both here in the forums and on skype.

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Like, really, it seemed like I had had my way with a child inside a church when I recruited Asarum and BabyKong, yet suddenly you're the cleaverest kid in the block when BKong leaves our alliance spamming our network, Xoom/Lava follows on his vendetta against us by leaving NG and also spamming all of LOIC/BoS networks


Neither player was recruited from BYZ, they both came from TFG originally. I have said before and I will say it again that I was not made aware of the BabyKong situation/plans until about a day before he left BoS. I have never claimed responsibility for planning that and I had honestly believed he had truly backstabbed BYZ/TFG/WHO at the time. True, I did welcome him into BYZ once it was done, and I bear that, but I wasn't responsible for that.

Xoom/Lava on the other hand is/was COMPLETELY different than what BabyKong did, and you paint him in the same picture as Kong.

1.) Lava belonged to a neutral alliance (at the time)
2.) Lava did not leave your coalition to join mine, he left the then-neutral NG to join BYZ
3.) Lava did not launch spams against BoS/LOIC while he was in NG and then leave to join BYZ (like Kong launched against BoS as a BoS member, relocated to Asia, then left BoS)
4.) Lava sat idle the 24 ticks he was without an alliance and DID NOT attack LOIC/BoS until after he had joined BYZ, I think that is very honorable on his part to actually wait to take advantage of his former neutrality in the war/large gate network until the tick he joined BYZ.

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, and now convincing the entirety of NG to backstabb us. I'm not saying you are, but if you haven't noticed, your side is filled with hipocrisy and unscrupulousness.



My understanding of NG entering the war against BoS/LOIC was that BoS had attacked NG in South America 100-200 ticks beforehand and NG had considered their agreements with BoS null/void at that time and considered you hostile.

Did I push for NG to enter the war on my side? Hell yeah I did. I know you did too, same as Hoodie tried his best. When BYZ entered North Africa we actually made an agreement with NG (this was around tick 700 or so) that BYZ and NG would have a NAP until tick 1500 and one of the conditions of the NAP was that they not renew any peace deals they had with BoS/LOIC, and once the deals ended at tick 1,000 they would enter the war on our side. Tony agreed to that, yet NG didn't follow through with it until nearly a thousand ticks later. Take that for what you will.

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I'm not saying you are, but if you haven't noticed, your side is filled with hipocrisy and unscrupulousness. And they day much much easier than you or either of LOIC and BoS :lol:


Oh yes, my side has had its moments we are not entirely proud of, but so has yours. If we count the members that have actually left the BYZ/WHO/VG side to join BoS/LOIC (being recruited etc) I believe its more than in the reverse. Eh, lots of side changing this era by individuals, thats Battle Dawn for you.

Walsh
Rupert
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That random ToT member (lmfao I think?)

Just to name a few...

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So, you're telling me you guys are the ones deserving pity? Please. The only reason I'm not jumping around throwing accusations left and right is because I don't really care what the hell you bring against me. That doesn't mean I can't do them, doesn't mean I can't do them right and also doesn't mean I wouldn't be right doing them. But above all else, it doesn't mean you don't deserve them. Even if I don't exactly agree with Noobin's argument about, I don't agree with yours either. I thought of you a far better player and person to beat on your chest exclaiming "I'm better than you!" to oponents that are both giving one hell of a personal performance, as well as a legit challenge to you for days, weeks, and even months. Did you forget your respect for us throughout the ticks or never had it? (or perhaps dropped it just to win an argument with a fellow player, which would just show how much you care for respect at all)


Nope, I was not asking for pity or saying we deserve it by any means. Simply stated the facts. LOIC argued they were at a disadvantage because LOIC/BoS both started as tanks and LOIC had to fight two alliances with different chassis. I responded stating that BYZ did essentially the same thing the entire era while we were fighting BoS and ROME, then your sub B0G, and then adding in LOIC near the end.

As I stated at the beginning of my response, I said I got a little carried away in my response and worked up, I do apologize for some of my "chest beating". I have NOT lost my respect for LOIC, and especially not for you and BoS through the course of this round. If anything it has grown with every day you continued to oppose me and fight on, with every time we killed your army my respect for you and your team grew. Early on in the era I had that rant against Hoodie, we had our low point and did not talk with each other, I ended up apologizing and the last 3-4 weeks or so we have been talking every other day usually. My respect for Hoodie has returned, same for LOIC.

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Colin, the list of our subs... just how many of those subs are the EXACT same alliance with a name change? And 3 of those arent even official subs of mine (Im pretty sure the rest were all official LOIC subs, but again some were name changes; B0s/B0G became a l0iC sub some time ago). Just wanted to point that out.


Actually, none of them are the exact same alliance. I went down the alliance scoreboard on the day I wrote my response and put alliances tagged as BoS/LOIC + subs in that list. Yes, I am aware B0G became L0ic, guess I did have one duplicate in there.

I was not aware some of those subs were not "official" BoS subs. Either way, the list is extensive and at the end of the day they still have your tag and I never saw you disowning them, not that it really matters end of the day.

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PS: TFG started the war against our sub, and you yourself declared first against LOIC (then OTT) first, Colin.


Actually, TFG started the war against an alliance named IDF which AFTER they had been fighting became your sub, BoSe. I remember that quite clearly. IDF had promised the resource ops in Saudi bo BOTH OTT (LOIC) and TFG (VG). That was the issue at hand, and the fact OTT was claiming the Saudi oil mines from IDF solidifies my position that at the time they were not your sub.

Though you had no official NAP with TFG, you were the one who declared war against TFG, citing "i'm just defending my sub" even though TFG had been fighting them before they changed names from BoSe and had become IDF.

Again, not to get technical here, but I am going to get technical...After TFG and BoS had been at war for a day (maybe two?) LOIC then declared against TFG and joined the war. It was at this point when I came to you and informed you I was declaring war against LOIC in defense of my brother alliance TFG. Until that point BYZ had remained neutral when the war was only BoS vs TFG. When I informed you of that you then informed me you would have to involk the 24-hour warning clause for the end of the NAP between BoS and BYZ.

So, IDF was the powder keg that set off a WWI style snowball effect of dragging the world (with the exception of NG, who weren't that powerful at all at the time) into war.



*CENSORED*...I came here to post pics and battle reports as well as respond to you...I fear I am wiped. Will post pics and BR's later! lol.

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 Post subject: Re: BYZ/WHO/VG et al. vs BoS/LOIC et al. - UPDATE -
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:22 pm 
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Was a good era BoS leadership slowed along with activity dramatically in last couple hundred ticks of it. Most started the round assuming it would be decided before or around tick 1500.

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 Post subject: Re: BYZ/WHO/VG et al. vs BoS/LOIC et al. - UPDATE -
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 Post subject: Re: BYZ/WHO/VG et al. vs BoS/LOIC et al. - UPDATE -
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Was a good era BoS leadership slowed along with activity dramatically in last couple hundred ticks of it. Most started the round assuming it would be decided before or around tick 1500.



And you were up against a BYZ roster that is pretty much exclusively made up of players from the old client who were used to 4,000 tick long eras. :) But for the amount of times you guys lost your army you really surprised us with how active you remained for so long.

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 Post subject: Re: BYZ/WHO/VG et al. vs BoS/LOIC et al. - UPDATE -
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Why is Silver/Shadow dead?

there were many broadcasts over why did BYZ kill silver
after all he was in ToT which is BYZ sub, and wanted to join KoD which is BYZ ally.

the reason is that silver did nothing the entire ERA except taking resources of BYZ / WHO / VG / ToT / KoD / AoE and the rest of the allies which actually used these resources to fight LOIC / BoS

can anyone show me 1 BR in which silver killed any unit of LOIC / BoS or any of its subs? of course not, coz he just joined a sub of the winning team to be left alone for taking resources and build up. he had the power and army, why didn't he fight?

he claimed BYZ killed him coz he refused to be snipped...its not a metter of who snipped who, BYZ don't mind giving all the conq/OPs/wrack in its territory to someone who will put them to good use and fight on her side, but what silver did was unaccaptable. taking the resources and sit on the side.

those who say BYZ don't treat allies properly got it all wrong - BYZ appreciate allies, and this is exactly why they don't allow Silver to join KoD. coz then Silver who did nothing will finish in the 3rd place team, and WHO alliance which fight entire ERA along side BYZ will drop down to 4th place.

anyone who thinks this is wrong is more then welcome to msg me and explain why...

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 Post subject: Re: BYZ/WHO/VG et al. vs BoS/LOIC et al. - UPDATE -
PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:36 pm 
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Colin, still with the enthralling detailed accounts of whats happening in the world.
Brings back good memories.

when i came back to have a look after years n years. I see BYZ straight away.. Made me tingly with intrigue again.

How our time has come and gone..

Or has it...

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 Post subject: Re: BYZ/WHO/VG et al. vs BoS/LOIC et al. - UPDATE -
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Colin, still with the enthralling detailed accounts of whats happening in the world.
Brings back good memories.

when i came back to have a look after years n years. I see BYZ straight away.. Made me tingly with intrigue again.

How our time has come and gone..

Or has it...

-JH



Ahhhh John Howard!!! Great to see you mate!

As you know, I had left the game years ago before the new client came out. I'm sure you left sometime after me. Kenny and a few others managed to find me on facebook and convinced me to return to BD for the Championship Era.

I ended up playing E1 before CE started as a warm-up with ARM, and got 2nd place there. The Champs Era started and I only played that, but after it pretty much was written that we would lose I went and played M2 with a team, and won that era (my first on the new client).

Near the end of CE I had joined a team on E2 that fizzled out at which time I decided I wanted to play one last era before retiring again, and started putting together a team for this past E4 to bring back BYZ. :)

Funny thing was I was actually on a team on E1 that started something like 24-48 hours before E4 restarted...and both of them restarted while I was on vacation! hah!

Anyways, glad to see you back around man! Hope to possibly see your AuA back at some point :) Maybe we can even be allies this time lol.

Cheers!

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