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mfreak · **Posted:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:23 pm

apollo wrote:

Allen, please watch your language. Some people can get upset, but there's no need for that here. And that goes for EVERYONE in this thread >.>

-Apollo

If he had respectfully posted, I'd have not used rough language. He called me a dumb fool, so I had to. :roll:

malicewolf · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:02 pm **Posts:** 1622

1. Be civil. (Freak) >.>
2. AVA might be true, but we did that AFTER you pulled the exact same thing to us with UA/UB. And the compensation is a LOT higher for those guys than AVA.
AVA = 6 crystals
UA/UB = over 20 crystals at the time at least

We spent a lot of resources tracking them down as well.

Did we ask for compensation? Nope.

Overall, I'd say both UN and BYZ were pretty pissed at one another by the time the war started. I barely did anything and even I was getting pissed at UN members. And I do agree with the sniping comments. Truthfully, sniping is just part of the game. Whoever has the better gate system wins. Personally, I don't like it when people snipe and I usually back down just to keep the peace, but I do recall seeing ETA 4-10 attacks from UN. BYZ had ETA 3-5 usually and we would go for it; only to see that UN wouldn't back down. What kind of top alliance has members offline for 10 ticks and don't even check to see what's coming? I will say, every once in a while, there were legit snipes of 3 ETA on both sides. And both sides will swear the other didn't launch first and were sniping. Nothing you can do about that, simply the game.

Sniping sucks, get over it. It's going to happen. You can whine, or you can make a better gate system and jam anyone else nearby. I prefer option 2.

mfreak · **Posted:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:31 pm

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2. AVA might be true, but we did that AFTER you pulled the exact same thing to us with UA/UB. And the compensation is a LOT higher for those guys than AVA.
AVA = 6 crystals
UA/UB = over 20 crystals at the time at least

We spent a lot of resources tracking them down as well.

Did we ask for compensation? Nope.

There, you have your answer.

BTW if there is legit sniping, let the guy with the bigger force have the crystal or conquer and move on.

Botelharareborn · **Posted:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:32 pm

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It was a direct response to you creating problems for us and pissing us off in Africa. Initially you did have gates and radars in Greenland too.

what??

yeah.. u def must be blind

well.. when supposed "allies" make a long era NAP isnt to attack each other, but i think that must be the dirty and backstabber mind talking ...

You are the clown, because you are the one that needed to backstabb and play with lot of multis instead of play a fair and nice game.

Battle Dawn it is a war game.. and its pointless if we play an era withouth even war, its stupid.. and i quite understand that , but if you wanted to war and break our agreement you could just warned us , and we would set a tick and we could war.. UN against BYZ.. no subs needed , no multis needed..

but i guess thats not a honorable thing for a bunch of Wussies,

and if you dont want to be polite in your posts then i just have one thing to say .. you can go (Want to be allies? Sometimes I like to pretend I am a princess riding a pony..) , you lazy ass

regards and have a nice day

Lolowut · **Posted:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:34 pm

BYZ and UN really need to go on Dr. Phil to sort this out. Obviously the problems were so big on both sides that the pact was practically void.

Also, what is wrong with you Botel? Every post/message I've seen of your's is full of explicitives. It's a game, bro. Just chill and play XD

Botelharareborn · **Posted:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:38 pm

Lolowut wrote:

BYZ and UN really need to go on Dr. Phil to sort this out. Obviously the problems were so big on both sides that the pact was practically void.

Also, what is wrong with you Botel? Every post/message I've seen of your's is full of explicitives. It's a game, bro. Just chill and play XD

if someone insult me.. and before that continue in not being polite, at least let me answer the same things at least one time xD

nah... we would need 24 Dr. Phil..

:s

mfreak · **Posted:** Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:44 pm

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well.. when supposed "allies" make a long era NAP isnt to attack each other, but i think that must be the dirty and backstabber mind talking ...

You are the clown, because you are the one that needed to backstabb and play with lot of multis instead of play a fair and nice game.

Battle Dawn it is a war game.. and its pointless if we play an era withouth even war, its stupid.. and i quite understand that , but if you wanted to war and break our agreement you could just warned us , and we would set a tick and we could war.. UN against BYZ.. no subs needed , no multis needed..

but i guess thats not a honorable thing for a bunch of Wussies,

and if you dont want to be polite in your posts then i just have one thing to say .. you can go *CENSORED* , you lazy ass

God this guy has learnt this word wussie. I blame Avi for this :lol:

BTW, once again, NAP's are meant to be broken. If I never intended to attack you, I would not ask for a NAP in the first place. And if I did sign an NAP, the moment I feel its not advantageous for me, I will attack and break the NAP. I call it "breaking the NAP". Not a backstab. One of my friends just told me what one of HIS friends told him - "You can never backstab your enemy in the first place".

Lastly, respect is a two way street. Get that through that excuse of a brain you have. I never started off with impolite language.

malicewolf · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:02 pm **Posts:** 1622

What multi's? Are you talking about the legit players we have (all maybe 30 of them) compared to your so called "legit" 200 some players within all of your subs?

Yea. I'm sure we couldn't find a legit 30 some members to play with us, but you easily found 20 subs worth of members without any flaws somewhere in there.

I'm fine with you accusing us of backstabbing; in this case, sure you can call it that, but multi'ing? Dafaq did that come from? As I said before, I do not like backstabbing and I will admit, we did do it. Attacking without pre-notice with a NAP is indeed backstabbing. We are giving "excuses" as you put it (we say reasons) for why we did it, simple as that. The betrayed always view it as excuses, the betrayers always say reasons. I know I'd be saying the same things if I was on the other side, or even a neutral in this.

Anywho, agree with Kenny here. Let's stop kicking the dead horse. He told me his side is starting to hurt. Let's move on from the petty name calling (BOTH SIDES) and continue warring.

UN has been doing a great job so far with traps and tactics lately. We weren't expecting you to have over 250 ticks worth of spy infiltration on one of OUR gates. With that said though, I think it's pretty obvious both sides were preparing for a war. Whether or not UN would declare it, who knows now. BYZ backstabbed, we'll never know if UN would have taken the higher ground. (Please don't comment that you would of, no point. It didn't happen, BYZ already backstabbed, let's just continue on reality here, not what if's).

EDIT: MrFreak - I will admit that I'm a big supporter of honor and no backstabbing. So I will say, I disagree with your view. This will be the first time I've ever backstabbed anyone and I'm not too happy about it either, but what can I do. Orders are orders. I have very often gone through rounds with permanent NAPs without any issues. One of the reasons being that I could say (used to at least) that I have never backstabbed anyone in my entire 6+ years of playing BD. So truthfully, i'm not the happiest to have my name sullied by any type of backstabbing. Once again though, I will say, UN and BYZ had a lot of issues. War was inevitable, how it was done could have been a bit better. Everyone wants to have the minimal losses though and surprise is always the best way to minimize issues. I'm usually the one being betrayed, but I also require my members to be active, so betrayal has hardly ever beaten me down. Betrayers have gotten the best of me only 3 times in my BD career. Every other time, I usually came out on top with activity.

lkl97 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:44 am **Posts:** 227

mfreak wrote:

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WE demanded too much?
Either you are stupid or just too blind to see your own mistakes.

Yes you demanded too much. Lets see your points below:

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1. YOU guys went into Africa and made radars and gates all over it even though it was our hive and we repeatedly asked for you not to do that.

We decided to work together before the era started. Gates and Radars in Africa shouldnt have bothered you. Even so, you had gates within 8 ticks of our colonies, for which we didn't bother you, and yet you kept demanding to remove our gates and radars. You cannot close off entire continents right from tick 1, when people are looking for conquers, crystals, infrastructure and resource outposts. I said as much to Sidd before the era started. I however agreed to keep off a certain distance from your colonies. Which we did. Since we were allies this shouldnt have been a problem but you guys threw a fit every single time.

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2. YOU guys went into our hive yet didn´t allow us to make even 1 op in your hive, Greenland.

It was a direct response to you creating problems for us and pissing us off in Africa. Initially you did have gates and radars in Greenland too.

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3. YOU guys took conquers, crystals and res ops from our hive, Africa while not letting us take even 1 in either Europe or Greenland.

WTF is YOUR hive? Africa? At tick 1? When you were spread out? Get the *CENSORED* outta here. You guys were located in a place that is ripe with conquers, crystals, res ops, infrastructure, close to EU and Asia. Its inevitable that we approach areas that are close to you. Greenland didnt really have any crystals or conquers at tick 1. The population was pathetic at around 600 even at tick 100. So not sure what you are going on about here. Even so you did have gate and radar there in Greenland. Its only after we relocated and decided to create camps, you were asked to leave.

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4. YOU guys allowed our enemy that we spent a lot of resources killing and used to be a rank 5 alliance before we killed them, AVA to relocate into Greenland, when we spend many many resources to get to Greenland through North America since you didn´t let us go through Europe, YOU turned AVA into your subs.

Not sure if what you say is true here, I personally didnt notice this. But for your part, you turned PHX into your subs. I recall AVA always being in Greenland though. I will get Matt or Steve to answer this.

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5. YOU have killed over 15 squads of ours by sniping us, many times you simply attacked us by "accident" and killed our squads, i have many BRs and print screens of this, i can post them if you wish.

Your definition of sniping is ridiculous. You send an attack ETA 10, and we take it ETA 3, you call THAT sniping and dont turn when asked to. So we had to defend. On the other hand, you purposefully matched ETA with us many times (as seen in the pics before) with the intent of killing our units. THAT is sniping. What we did was defend.

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6. We cockily demand stuff? We asked for compensation as for you not giving us previous warning of you turning AVA into your sub as we spent many resources and a lot of time getting our army through SA and NA to get to Greenland to kill AVA. And your responce to our request was a blantant NO! All we had asked for was 6 crystals from anywhere to make up for the 6 crystals we would be missing out on from AVA and we asked this politely yet you responded saying NO cockily and unpolitely without even giving a reason.

You dont ask Allies to compensate. Asking for compensation is cockily demanding stuff. Whether AVA was turned into subs or not remains to be answered by Matt or Steve. But you turned PHX into your subs, for which we spent many resources too. And we havent received any compensation.

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7. You attack us at tick 500 while we have a round long NAP and we have complied with every demand you have given while you have demanded with NONE. You haven´t even complied with the most basic of basic demands required of a NAP, not attacking nor warring the other alliance.

We havent demanded anything from you. When I spoke to Sidd before the era started, all I said was, lets share area and work together. I still like him, he is a good guy. Its a pity he has a bunch of bootlicking pissants in his team, who throw a hissy fit the moment they see us launching for a conquer or a crystal.

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Are you so stupid that you don´t know what a NAP means? It means a NON AGGRESSION PACT.
And for your information ATTACKING US = AGGRESSION.

If you are going to attack us then you shouln´t have made a NAP in the first place, you dumb fool!

Get it through your pretty little head that NAP's are MEANT to be broken. If someone was NEVER gonna attack you, they wouldnt give you a NAP in the first place you moron! The fact that you had a spy on our outpost for more than 200 ticks attests my claim that you meant to break the NAP too. Just that we did it first.

Also don't forget the fact that you are a bunch of hapless morons who'd get slaughtered. Its Avi and team (which is the team where I normally play) that is saving your asses. Without him, you'd be dead meat within 250 ticks. And I mean, you and your gazillion useless subs. And its quite hilarious to see you guys talking about being "Legends" whatever *CENSORED*. You don't know the half of it. FFS.

You might recall that you were also extremely spread out at first yet you didn´t even allow us to make gates and radars in Europe, let alone GL.

Also, we were prepared to give comensation for PHX, you simply never asked for it, you cannot complain about us not giving it to you if you never asked for it ^_^

You keep talking about allies don´t do this or allies don´t need permission for that, but you are forgetting the most important thing allies don´t do and that is attacking and warring each other which is exactly what you have done.

I´m currently searching through my logs with both our and your members and i´ll show you some of the images of you guys attacking us when we were still allies yet us not saying anything about it in a bit ^_^

How about you stop BSing for a bit now, you are polluting the world enough by talking and breathing, stop polluting the forums now aswell.

Have a good day,

-Teddy Roosevelt

lkl97 · **Joined:** Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:44 am **Posts:** 227

malicewolf wrote:

What multi's? Are you talking about the legit players we have (all maybe 30 of them) compared to your so called "legit" 200 some players within all of your subs?

Yea. I'm sure we couldn't find a legit 30 some members to play with us, but you easily found 20 subs worth of members without any flaws somewhere in there.

I'm fine with you accusing us of backstabbing; in this case, sure you can call it that, but multi'ing? Dafaq did that come from? As I said before, I do not like backstabbing and I will admit, we did do it. Attacking without pre-notice with a NAP is indeed backstabbing. We are giving "excuses" as you put it (we say reasons) for why we did it, simple as that. The betrayed always view it as excuses, the betrayers always say reasons. I know I'd be saying the same things if I was on the other side, or even a neutral in this.

Anywho, agree with Kenny here. Let's stop kicking the dead horse. He told me his side is starting to hurt. Let's move on from the petty name calling (BOTH SIDES) and continue warring.

UN has been doing a great job so far with traps and tactics lately. We weren't expecting you to have over 250 ticks worth of spy infiltration on one of OUR gates. With that said though, I think it's pretty obvious both sides were preparing for a war. Whether or not UN would declare it, who knows now. BYZ backstabbed, we'll never know if UN would have taken the higher ground. (Please don't comment that you would of, no point. It didn't happen, BYZ already backstabbed, let's just continue on reality here, not what if's).

Sorry for the double post but i must clarify this. Everyone keeps saying that we have about "200" members. Anyone who knew basic math would know that this is not true. For 200 members we would need to have 20 subs while we have less than 10....we about 6 or 7 subs. LION doesn´t count as a sub btw, only as a brother alliance just like HaHa was a brother alliance to you ^_^

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