First of all that will be your undoing, rather Battledawn's undoing. Second of all, I guess you got my point wrong. I did not mean - "Let supporters get away with it and screw all non supporters". What I mean is, while banning a person, give some consideration for how long you ban that person. For example you move to perm ban someone, and you see that he has spent 2000 dollars that round. Perm Banning him, is ripping him off of the 2000 dollars, and giving him a punishment that is completely out of proportion. Ban him. But take care, you compensate him for any losses. A gesture from the organization, that they value customers will go far in bringing you more, or retaining existing ones even if you have to ban them every now and then. Your traditional definitions of what farming is, account sharing is or what a violation is wont take battledawn far, is my point. You of all people should know, that practically, asking people to not cheat does not work. This is an internet game. There will ALWAYS be cheating. You definitely have to make a decision in simple terms between what is right and what is smart. Id urge you to do the smart thing, for your own good (BD) and yours of course

Now I dont mean for you to say out in public, yes I will consider supporters when I ban them, because I know then you will have a flood of emails and PMs, about how unfair you are , which probably reiterates your point that whatever you do, you will have people complain . But I hope atleast, some thought is put into how much money a person spends, before actually banning them. Its because there is absolutely no recourse if an admin is non communicative. Sometimes, it takes 4 or 5 days to get a response - and while you have to do with lots of servers, those 4 or 5 days completely change the situation ingame and quite often, anything you do after that, becomes useless. Maybe you guys should have a seperate email or a group list, to look into ban appeals.

Your reply is simply based on selfish motives for what is happening ingame, while I am speaking for Battledawn as a whole. I wouldn't add too much of credibility to this. Loopholes are not violations. And they cannot be considered as such. If they are and bans are thrown out, like I said in my previous posts, you are simply up for banning someone, so you can have an easy time. You tend to use bans as strategy, which again discredits your arguments.

About the relic thing, we said the units were not a problem. Ions were disabled for example. Taking away ingame mechanics, is influencing the game, or how you use strategy. That is not acceptable, even now.

Well I can go with that, I dont mean to say that you connived for it to be anti-No like kevin posted. Maybe the backlash was unexpected.



If you did that, then that's appreciable. That is what I meant - be considerate to players. In both the threads .



Its not biased. Its smart. I am not asking you to totally let go of people if they support. I am asking you to take into account the money they spend which very much matters. If you think it doesn't then it isnt right.



I dont know what you do

The Greeks were not playing for fun in the Trojan War, this is a war game that can never be as realistic as real life, and therefore game mechanics are implemented to add strategic depth.

They will never be perfect, and you violated it by using slave colonies which are clearly against the rules. You were punished, that is not anti-NO that is against those who don't play the game with integrity.

She didn't literally mean the Trojan horse thingy, literally. She only compared the strategy used is all. Using someone's gate, is not a violation of rules, even if its written down there. Its an ingame option available to anyone. And as such is a grey area. What if this new colony stayed with us? And didn't leave NO? Then it automatically becomes a valid tactic? Since its debatable, calling it an offence is not valid.

I did not say it was "anti-NO"
I said, we used a tactic which was older than BD
You can talk about how dishonorable it was in your view, but still it was a good tactic. About "anti-NO" or "pro-NO" i don't want to argue anymore.
We used every strategy which was possible without cheating.

And recruiting a new member, even if he is in GIFT hive is no cheating.
Asking a friend to join and help on a server is no cheating.

When you want to play an era, you don't tell your members where to build?
You do

And so did we... no reason to ban him.

Having him announce that he is joining an alliance friendly to Gift is shady though. Personally, I think the whole gating business was a pretty solid maneuver. I don't like the idea of using throwaway colonies to achieve the goal, but it was a desperate act which had reasonable results. I don't think it would have been particularly successful for NO in the end, but it was interesting.

point is, that they just build the colonies to fast. We didn't wanted to break the NAP but there was no way to keep them alive 25 more ticks after they lost protection.

It wasn't a desperated move. It was planned.
We knew, we couldn't fight on the usually way as we had to less units. So we needed to surprise them.

We did something unexpected.

The reason that we will hand over the relics is another. We don't surrender, we don't give up. We just think its time to leave.
We joined this era late and for the reason that there was 0 real competition against GIFT. All of us saw the last era e4 with also none competition. People got bored and don't want to play anymore. So ... a tough server like E4 was about to get an easy server.

My team was great. Even if they knew we have only a very small chance to win this, they fought a lot. And yes, Seth we pushed it to the edge. Still there was nothing banable in it. Like it or hate it what we have done. I don't mind that much as long as my team and me were always okay with our desicions we made.
Our goal is reached.
We added competition

Congrats to GIFT. Your activity and skill is still impressing.
Thank you Kevin for teaching me a new word as you pinged me at MSN after I had to break the NAP...
and thank you friends and foes who swapped the sides this era. It was good to have a previous foe fighting at your side and a friend as enemy. Open your mind

My mind was definitely opened Ilona.