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 Post subject: Re: e4 is dead
PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:41 pm 
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Eminence wrote:
Many many rounds ago, I had that same issue.
I would issue an ultimatum in the end to fight or perish.
brainwash your subs :D

If they disobeyed an order from the top, you either feed them to a stronger sub as an example.
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March against them yourself.
as I never had to fight until later in the round, I just marched to that alliance and masacred them.


I was trying to rally the rest of the world to fight against the sub-abusers. I've never been in an alliance with more than 2 subs. That's because that's my personal limit. 1 sub... you have a lot of active guys. 2 subs, you're trying to defend yourself against the possibility of fighting a massive force outnumbered 4 to 1 player-wise.

3 or more subs.... you've gone to the dark side. Expect Yoda :mrgreen: (or Spyda) to come for your head. :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: e4 is dead
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:08 pm 
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3 or more subs.... you've gone to the dark side. Expect Yoda :mrgreen: (or Spyda) to come for your head. :twisted:



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 Post subject: Re: e4 is dead
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:24 pm 
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Yeh, 1 or 2 subs is OK but anymore and it becomes boring....

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 Post subject: Re: e4 is dead
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:26 am 
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Spyda wrote:
Eminence wrote:
Many many rounds ago, I had that same issue.
I would issue an ultimatum in the end to fight or perish.
brainwash your subs :D

If they disobeyed an order from the top, you either feed them to a stronger sub as an example.
OR
March against them yourself.
as I never had to fight until later in the round, I just marched to that alliance and masacred them.


I was trying to rally the rest of the world to fight against the sub-abusers. I've never been in an alliance with more than 2 subs. That's because that's my personal limit. 1 sub... you have a lot of active guys. 2 subs, you're trying to defend yourself against the possibility of fighting a massive force outnumbered 4 to 1 player-wise.

3 or more subs.... you've gone to the dark side. Expect Yoda :mrgreen: (or Spyda) to come for your head. :twisted:



personally one is too many in my book, if the game was ment to have more that 14 guys playing together like that then the game would allow for more allaince mates.

i can understand allainces, that dosnt bind your allies from attacking each other but just because im allied or "subed" with one guy dosnt mean i shouldnt be abel to attack his ally. thats what agrivatred me, some of the subs iv seen in this server i porobly could have taken by myself (i know that was cocky but it puut my point in perspective)

thats where my agrivation stems, useless subs that just dry up the conquer pool.

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 Post subject: Re: e4 is dead
PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:05 am 
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Personally I'm a fan of no-subs at all. However I do understand the use of them as "training grounds" but that should only apply to people with i'll say less than 5 or 10 achievements.

Last era we were forced to have a "Strong sub" (they ranked in the top 5 for a while, and ended 6th) since we were up against an empire of 7 or 8 alliances and their "allies" (just people who were afraid of them) without those "extra" guys we would have a much more difficult time spreading and countering them. And to be honest we may have lost.

We had to become similar to our enemies in order to overcome them. and that's the issue with subs. It's ALWAYS more beneficial to an alliance (in virtually every way) to bring a player in as a member of the sub rather than a conquer. and once on alliance does this enough and grows too large the only way to beat (or even compete with) them is to sink to their level.... To a degree.


BTW is E4 almost over? F4's been waiting to go into havoc for about 2 days now, and I miss the good old days back on a 1 tick Earth server. *Hint Hint* ;)

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 Post subject: Re: e4 is dead
PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:23 am 
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im joining WAF. and they are a pretty secure alliance.
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IM NOT GIVING UP!



until i get conquered and there is no point to play...
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 Post subject: Re: e4 is dead
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:40 am 
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I don't have any beef with the Sub alliance "problem"

I don't have any achievements. I don't have any score. I only have the fact that I'm active and interested going for me. Sub alliances are the only type of alliance that will invite me to join them. No one here on the forums or in game has offered to join up or invite me, and when I ask I'm ignored. So where do people like me turn? Sub alliances, that most of you seem to hate so much -_-
Funny... This is the only world I'm not conquered in. I wonder why they're sooo popular :D

All you talk as if the Sub alliance thing is terrible but for some people it's the only way to play... I don't see many options right now.

and btw, why is E4 dead again? It looks pretty lively to me!

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 Post subject: Re: e4 is dead
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:11 am 
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This was before era 12..

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 Post subject: Re: e4 is dead
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:31 am 
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Spyda wrote:
BTW is E4 almost over? F4's been waiting to go into havoc for about 2 days now, and I miss the good old days back on a 1 tick Earth server. *Hint Hint* ;)

yeh, f4 has just started, and I agree with spyda, no more than 2 subs is good.

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 Post subject: Re: e4 is dead
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:56 pm 
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Twilightmask wrote:
I don't have any beef with the Sub alliance "problem"

I don't have any achievements. I don't have any score. I only have the fact that I'm active and interested going for me. Sub alliances are the only type of alliance that will invite me to join them. No one here on the forums or in game has offered to join up or invite me, and when I ask I'm ignored. So where do people like me turn? Sub alliances, that most of you seem to hate so much -_-
Funny... This is the only world I'm not conquered in. I wonder why they're sooo popular :D

All you talk as if the Sub alliance thing is terrible but for some people it's the only way to play... I don't see many options right now.

and btw, why is E4 dead again? It looks pretty lively to me!



My issue with sub alliances is not one or two that are used as training grounds for newer on less experienced players to learn and get practical lessons in the game.

My problem (And many others) is when 1 alliances has a large number of subs. Not to teach players how to play but to avoid playing themselves. By which i mean,

If I have 5 subs so if you attack me. You literally could end up facing 70+ players without me even getting 1 ally involved.

With that being the case, what do you think the chances are that ANY 12 person alliance in the world is going to attack any member?

With this being the state of the world, it ruins everone's fun since the game loses it's competitiveness and excitement. I've had a sub in every era I've played (Except for the era i'm in now. But it's early.) And in every one of those eras at least 25% of my members were first timers.

Subs aren't the problem. Sub-Abuse is.

Teaching and using someone as a meatshield are two very different things.

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