All great alliances has subs because so many people want to be a part of there alliance. Common sense aint so common these days.

Not all great alliances have subs lol......

If they were so great, then they wouldn't need a sub to help them win.

*cough*
One of the greates allainces of E4 (tied whit BYZ , the had around the same amount of 1# and 2# endings) , NANC/DoF (for the sake of my ego , i was in it (and 1# power in both (cheers for my ego)) The only way the where related whas that in E4A1 the where a sub , but ended 1# in E4A2 , 2#(DoF) in E4A3 , and 1#(merged whit BYZ) in E4A4

XXX , =T=(thor) , SoL(ego : i whas in SoL) the top 3 of one the E2 rounds , the controlled most of the world (exluding , the icy part of Canada , Argentine/Chile , and south Africa)
Neither had subs (SoLs did help SoL , but the where more of a brother allaince)

I could name dozens more.

Now for some physical proof


TURF , not a single sub , which is clearly visible in the power scores.


Here we see the NANC lineup of E4A2.


3 alliances , 1 world , no subs



You can see here that the NANC members (no sub) have more power than the allaince whit subs (BYZ)

I have a -load more , reply to this if you want them....

rederoin you are wrong AUA also took control of alaska

Don't forget ExSo vs. DOOM

ExSo had no subs, whilst DOOM did.

but other alliances were also tearing DOOM apart. remember EVIL went to war with DOOL and DOON. and Ride(ORGY) was also attacking DOOM. and there was the occasional attack by Ngk. so ExSo didnt do it alone. (however they could have done it alone but it would have taken more time without Rides range 4 tanks)

lol the great AUA

AUA never controlled Alaska.

Hey - I've built colony on New Client E4! But er what the please use another word is going about subs!? Who really cares? I men subs can be usefl and not.

Pros: Less wars, back up, etc.

Cons: BActstabbing, sits on theris ases.

P.S Im creator of All eternity.