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 Post subject: Re: Arch > WaLR
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:02 pm 
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well, apparently the whole story is not coming out here, I herd that WALR was trying to recurit members of ARCH and the leader didnt like this and attacked instead.

Not condoning what they did, but I have to say it is fairly halirous :lol:

but, seriously, even if they do get conquered, I'm thinking their happy as long as they dont get conquered by WALR

I know if I was in their position, I would have backstabbed, relocated next to CAE and get conquered by them, move the relics to them and everythings clean, cause WaLR has worked harder for their achievements and for them to loose it like that in a heartbeat, its more of a moral victory for them I think.


Well, how about I follow you to other worlds and kill you until you start understanding that if we go out to purposely ruin other peoples fun, were just a bunch of sick, sadistic idiots, hmmm?


Get your facts straight, WalR made arch. We originally requested the creation of Arch and Arch was founded on our conquers and our (ex) members. We were ranked higher and we kindly offered a few Arch members to join us so that we could more effectively war CAE.

Arch was not likely to become a #1 alliance and we were, if we would kill CAE Arch would have #2 basically because Arch war our brother alliance.


Their leader made up a lot of excuses after his attack, futile to my opinion. What their leader did was simple, he accepted our helping hand, our protection and let us fight so he was safe. Then once we were weak (we were retreating Japan, temporarily weakening us but in the end making us more secure and giving Arch a hell of a lot more territory) he brutally backstabber us in a very greedy attempt to shoot for the stars.


He is not going to get away with this, WalR's remaining forces in Asia (we still have over 3000 forces in Indo/India/China) will concentrate on destructing Arch, so will CAE and SWAT.


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 Post subject: Re: Arch > WaLR
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:31 pm 
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XXIV was once a noble alliance when LanceAlot was still alive. But since he passed away XXIV has descended into decadence and corruption. It was only a matter of time before an extremely talented alliance came along and took them over.

Comparing Arch to WaLR (XXIV) is like comparing the USA (Arch) to Bolivia (WaLR) XXIV was more of a 20th century France.

Hats off to Arch, their brave conquest of the licentious WaLR will surely go down as one of the most significant moments in Battledawn history. When a rising power eclipsed a crumbling power.

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 Post subject: Re: Arch > WaLR
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XXIV was once a noble alliance when LanceAlot was still alive. But since he passed away XXIV has descended into decadence and corruption. It was only a matter of time before an extremely talented alliance came along and took them over.

Comparing Arch to WaLR (XXIV) is like comparing the USA (Arch) to Bolivia (WaLR) XXIV was more of a 20th century France.

Hats off to Arch, their brave conquest of the licentious WaLR will surely go down as one of the most significant moments in Battledawn history. When a rising power eclipsed a crumbling power.

Sorry to interrupt your "omgigod i ish awesome by betraying people who "created" Arch" It won't.
If it will go down in the history in the first place(which it won't , since arch will fall soon , having the strongest alliances against em).


Then it will go down as a back stab , and one of the worst ones , i might add.
Like Jasper said , WE created arch , WE Where fine whit our conqeurs joining them , Thanks to US The gained power. Arch was OUR brother alliance.

This would never have happened if stillalive stayed leader imo.



p.s lancelot is not dead..

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 Post subject: Re: Arch > WaLR
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:20 pm 
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WE created arch , WE Where fine whit our conqeurs joining them , Thanks to US The gained power. Arch was OUR brother alliance.

This would never have happened if stillalive stayed leader imo.
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couple of problems I see with this,

1. Who the naughty word cares if you guys created Arch, im reading this and finding that because you guys created Arch you guys seem to be entitled to something. Like, ya, you created Arch, stop mentioning it, I Have read the fact that you guys have created Arch a bunch of times in this topic and it is not going to do anything. So stop mentioning it, its getting annoying.

BTW its like reading how Britain says oh we "created" the United States cause like ya, they came from our country.

2. WHO THE another bad word INVITES THEIR CONQUERS TO COME AND PARK RIGHT BESIDE THEM.

I dont know about you guys, but if I conquered someone and they took my crystals and my army, I would want revenge, and looking at this, this is what happend.
By inviting ex-conquers your just dilluting the members in that alliance. Most of them hold a grudge, and becauses you keep inviting them, they because the majority and BOOM!.

Either way, the act in it self is a lesson, if you conquer some one, make sure you completely and utterly destroy them.

A lesson that Arch inst learning, cause it seems they are inviting people that were formerly in WaLR.
It seems the "brother alliance" is following in its "brothers steps"

third lesson:dont create a brother alliance...Create a sister alliance.

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 Post subject: Re: Arch > WaLR
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:30 pm 
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Keep it clean in here guys, I'll be keeping a close eye on this thread and the people involved with the rule breaking going on here from now on.

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 Post subject: Re: Arch > WaLR
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:34 pm 
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saady87 wrote:
rederoin wrote:
WE created arch , WE Where fine whit our conqeurs joining them , Thanks to US The gained power. Arch was OUR brother alliance.

This would never have happened if stillalive stayed leader imo.
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couple of problems I see with this,

1. Who cares if you guys created Arch, im reading this and finding that because you guys created Arch you guys seem to be entitled to something. Like, ya, you created Arch, stop mentioning it, I Have read the fact that you guys have created Arch a bunch of times in this topic and it is not going to do anything. So stop mentioning it, its getting annoying.

BTW its like reading how Britain says oh we "created" the United States cause like ya, they came from our country.

2. WHO THE INVITES THEIR CONQUERS TO COME AND PARK RIGHT BESIDE THEM.

I dont know about you guys, but if I conquered someone and they took my crystals and my army, I would want revenge, and looking at this, this is what happend.
By inviting ex-conquers your just dilluting the members in that alliance. Most of them hold a grudge, and becauses you keep inviting them, they because the majority and BOOM!.

Either way, the act in it self is a lesson, if you conquer some one, make sure you completely and utterly destroy them.

A lesson that Arch inst learning, cause it seems they are inviting people that were formerly in WaLR.
It seems the "brother alliance" is following in its "brothers steps"

third lesson:dont create a brother alliance...Create a sister alliance.

1. Lots do.
You clearly haven't been playing BD long , but backstabbing the one that got you to the top is considered even less dishonerable , but ow well..
And i don't see the U.S.A backstabbing Europeans country's (U.K/Netherlands/Spain mainly).
2. And XXIV never backstabbing anybody , so how the bloody hell are the following in the "brother steps".
And we did not invite our conquers , Arch did , we allowed them , so we expect loyalty towards us from them in that case.
Besides , its a good working tactic , this is the only time i saw them actealy attacking The ones who had conquered them.
p.s , one of the greatest alliances ever(imo ) invited their conquers to a "brother" alliance..

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 Post subject: Re: Arch > WaLR
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:14 pm 
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History is not made of men who do the honorable thing. The backwards thinking of XXIV will never survive in this new world dominated by pragmatism/Arch.

The leaders of Arch are visionaries and innovators, something XXIV could have learned from. But alas, XXIV selfishly wished to maintain their status quo over the battledawn world with their talk of honor (submission) and tradition (XXIVs "divine mandate" to rule all of E2).

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 Post subject: Re: Arch > WaLR
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rederoin wrote:
1. Lots do.
You clearly haven't been playing BD long , but backstabbing the one that got you to the top is considered even less dishonerable , but ow well..
And i don't see the U.S.A backstabbing Europeans country's (U.K/Netherlands/Spain mainly).
2. And XXIV never backstabbing anybody , so how the bloody hell are the following in the "brother steps".
And we did not invite our conquers , Arch did , we allowed them , so we expect loyalty towards us from them in that case.
Besides , its a good working tactic , this is the only time i saw them actealy attacking The ones who had conquered them.
p.s , one of the greatest alliances ever(imo ) invited their conquers to a "brother" alliance..


Yes, obviously experience is determined by post count, because I obviously haven't played the game as many times as you have.
But I assure you, I have played this game both old and new a good length of time. Just because I created a new account and don't state my experience in my signature, most likely to a person of your stature with several posts, you most positively see me as a Noob.

Secondly, I cited to you saying that you guys creating Arch is pointless, It compares to England saying that we created all these countries. The only thing this amounts to is England thinking their all that and every other country loathing them, because they perceive this notion with a negative connotation.

I also didn't say anything about U.S.A backstabbing anyone, if you can read and comprehend, I said that it sounds like "Britain saying that they "created" the United States." It ends at that. Your just going one step further, and using the example I suggested and comparing it to the fact that Arch back stabbed you guys, which doesn't make any sense when compared to the U.S so I don't know where you are getting that Idea from.
Thirdly ,by "allowing" Arch to invite conquers your essentially accepting that doctrine. Which is "If their strong and they are fighting for us, we are fine with what they do, no matter what affiliation they may have had in the past or the reason behind them being accepted in Arch.
That idea in it self is very honorable, and I commend that. The fact is, it wont work every time and if you look at this logically (like I am), when you play with fire (ex-conquers) you get burned (they conquer you).

Here let me present this idea to you another way.

I am oh so powerful BD player, I go and conquer you and take away all w/e crystals you have collected and destroyed w/e chance at first place you might on having and destroyed units as well.
Then my friend here in Arch, tells you, hey join our alliance, XXIV wont attack you anymore and you'll be safe plus you have a chance at first place, and you are like cool, you go along with that.
Then I see this and im like, hey I can use you for all your worth now, I completely took all his hard work, and now I will have him work for me as well, because I "created" this alliance and because I "created" them they answer to me.

This is how I see XXIV, This is what they are trying to do,

either way,
Label me as a noob and discredit me all you want,
when dealing with people, things are unpredictable and this is another one of those situations.

Anyways I'm kinda tired of writing all these paragraphs, I hope you get the idea now


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 Post subject: Re: Arch > WaLR
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:53 am 
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History is not made of men who do the honorable thing. The backwards thinking of XXIV will never survive in this new world dominated by pragmatism/Arch.

The leaders of Arch are visionaries and innovators, something XXIV could have learned from. But alas, XXIV selfishly wished to maintain their status quo over the battledawn world with their talk of honor (submission) and tradition (XXIVs "divine mandate" to rule all of E2).

Sorry to say so , but in BD it is.


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rederoin wrote:
1. Lots do.
You clearly haven't been playing BD long , but backstabbing the one that got you to the top is considered even less dishonerable , but ow well..
And i don't see the U.S.A backstabbing Europeans country's (U.K/Netherlands/Spain mainly).
2. And XXIV never backstabbing anybody , so how the bloody hell are the following in the "brother steps".
And we did not invite our conquers , Arch did , we allowed them , so we expect loyalty towards us from them in that case.
Besides , its a good working tactic , this is the only time i saw them actealy attacking The ones who had conquered them.
p.s , one of the greatest alliances ever(imo ) invited their conquers to a "brother" alliance..


Yes, obviously experience is determined by post count, because I obviously haven't played the game as many times as you have.
But I assure you, I have played this game both old and new a good length of time. Just because I created a new account and don't state my experience in my signature, most likely to a person of your stature with several posts, you most positively see me as a Noob.
I never said you where a noob , but unless you played BD from E1A1/E4A1 , i'm still the one whit the more exp here.

Secondly, I cited to you saying that you guys creating Arch is pointless, It compares to England saying that we created all these countries. The only thing this amounts to is England thinking their all that and every other country loathing them, because they perceive this notion with a negative connotation.
England did not create them , they rebelled , arch didn't came into existence trough a rebellion , it whas created on request , created by a friend of some of the alliance members , but nice job showing respect to your founder by backstabbing XXIV

I also didn't say anything about U.S.A backstabbing anyone, if you can read and comprehend, I said that it sounds like "Britain saying that they "created" the United States." It ends at that. Your just going one step further, and using the example I suggested and comparing it to the fact that Arch back stabbed you guys, which doesn't make any sense when compared to the U.S so I don't know where you are getting that Idea from.
Thirdly ,by "allowing" Arch to invite conquers your essentially accepting that doctrine. Which is "If their strong and they are fighting for us, we are fine with what they do, no matter what affiliation they may have had in the past or the reason behind them being accepted in Arch.
That idea in it self is very honorable, and I commend that. The fact is, it wont work every time and if you look at this logically (like I am), when you play with fire (ex-conquers) you get burned (they conquer you).
I said if they did it , in which the case the would have been seen as ...well somothing worse...
But to better compare the the XXIV-arch relationship before the backstab. The Netherlands-Belgium , very close allies atm , Just like XXIV , the Dutch used own Belgium (our former conquers) , But does Belgium hold any grudges against the Dutch(as a country) atm? no.
Most of them probably won't , because the knew we allowed them , showed them mercy , the reason we allow this is to help us fight our enemy's.
Conquers exist purely for the small amount of +res and +power bonus the give , conquers are not my/your/our enemy's at all.
Enemy's are one's on which you focus on fighting.



Here let me present this idea to you another way.

I am oh so powerful BD player, I go and conquer you and take away all w/e crystals you have collected and destroyed w/e chance at first place you might on having and destroyed units as well.
Then my friend here in Arch, tells you, hey join our alliance, XXIV wont attack you anymore and you'll be safe plus you have a chance at first place, and you are like cool, you go along with that.
Then I see this and im like, hey I can use you for all your worth now, I completely took all his hard work, and now I will have him work for me as well, because I "created" this alliance and because I "created" them they answer to me.
The conqeurs we took where never ranked ranked(the ones who joined arch).
So your point in invalid , didn't bother reading anything but the first sentence of this paragraph.



This is how I see XXIV, This is what they are trying to do,

either way,
Label me as a noob and discredit me all you want,
when dealing with people, things are unpredictable and this is another one of those situations.

Anyways I'm kinda tired of writing all these paragraphs, I hope you get the idea now


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