There's nothing wrong with making an alliance about Germany, Genghis Khan, the Romans, etc. It's not about what empire you are trying to represent, it's about what empire you're trying to represent and the reasoning behind it. It's just my opinion. Were this your name from the start that would be one thing, or if you were truly in awe of the Ottomans themselves, that would be another. I just don't think that's what this was.

I don't want to get into the motivations or make accusations, so don't mind me.

To Gaurav, Creel and Lacky or is that Dukey.

If those posts are supposed to be apollogies, they don't work. The three
of you are so far off base with this crap you should be thrown to the dogs by BD Admin. I hear dogs like Turkey.

Hope you guys don't use these tactics in the real world, unless of course you all don't need friends and can deal with the consequences.

I've played with all of you guys and never expected to see stuff like this from any of you. Just isn't right. I do know one thing for sure though. I'm both glad and happy to be on the ARM side of this. With guys who I respect and know respect others. Time to TOE the line boys.

Taz ARM,GML,XI ...... aka: Oscar MupT

The Ottoman Empire in no way condones what occurred 600 years after it was created in my name. That false empire was resurrected under Sultan Abdul and he did horrible things while using my empires name. But you can not sully my empire's name for what he did under it. Marc's comments were out of line and he has been told so by all of what is now ROTR.

The Ottoman Empire's history is not defined by one horrible event which again occurred 600 years after this empire was created under my name. The empire that killed the 2m Armenians shares nothing but a name with my Empire.

-Sultan Osmand I

OOC

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Folks found it slightly amusing since we are fighting ARM (Armenia) and Tabula (Greece) that is was a play on those times.

This was the reasoning for the name change.

OOC: I can't stop you from making assumptions, only we know our reasons for this recreation of the TOE. It has nothing to do with the genocide, only reason is the fact that you Tigran became a two face by inviting Tabula to play with you. The TOE once controlled both Greece and Armenia, and so this was an appropriate name for an alliance who aims to take representatives of both down again.

-Gaurav

Tigran, I've known for a long time, have fought against and along side of you. I do not believe Guarav meant anything harmful about what he said or did. I understand why you are bitter against naming the alliance after the ottoman empire. The same way a jewish person would be offended for naming an alliance the third reich. Do you understand what I am getting at? Gaurav meant no harm at all by it. Dukey was so far out of line, it's not even funny. But to play devil's advocate, Armenia is not the only country that has experianced genocide. Teh entire continent of Africa experiances it daily. The jewish were eradicated for simply being jewish, the Kurds in teh middle east were gassed and killed by Suddam Hussein and his Regime of terror. Not every jewish person hates the country germany, only what Germany was during the appx 16 years of Hitlers control over it, just as you should not hate the name "ottoman empire". Only what the fake ottoman empire did to your countrymen.

Rome commited unspeakable acts of terror upon people, are you serious? The thresians of Greece(appx area) were slaughtered and sold into slavery and into the arena to die like pigs.

Gengis Khan would ride into villaged and slaughter, rape, and pillage. Women and children were raped and murdered because only of where they lived.

Sultan Abdul was a terrible, terrible man with a blind passion for death and murder. What he did was wrong, but you cannot judge an entire people based on the actions of one man.


-Apollo

Shame on you.

Yes Gaurav, I understand. If I named myself Karl the great or as he's more widely known "Charlemagne" I don't think the Jewish community should get mad at me...