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 Post subject: Re: Avengers Initiative
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:04 pm 
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Arifureta, Zarule6, and Milanos, I don't necessarily disagree with anything your saying. Personally, I think the way BD has been being played for a while now has been going down hill.

You guys can come here and play anyway you want to play. So what exactly is your beef?


There are several reasons that I am not currently playing. The reasons are plural, I'll just list them here.

1. No faith in admins. There are exceptions, but sadly I do not trust the majority of the admins anymore. Laugh at me all you want for it, but I know what happened last time I played and it's caused me to have a severe distrust of admins (certain ones, that is). I think it is rather sad when you play a game and you can not trust the administrators anymore.

2. Too many bad changes. Of course the majority of them weren't big changes, but aggregated it has made the game considerably less fun for me. I liked the older version of the NC better, where you had 12 tick raze, higher wreck spawn rate, conquer power, less buildings needed to attack, lower build times etc.

3. Not enough time. I think this one needs least explanation, I am doing a fulltime universitary study in one semester.

4. Not a good enough team to play with. I enjoy playing with my friends, however after the era where we all played together, were enjoying ourselves and then got banned, most of my friends (from Kong) have quit the game. It is mostly for the same reasons as me. Of course I could play with a group of people from .com, I don't really lack invites. But I'd much rather play with friends.

5. The style of play nowadays. Which brings us back to the original point, I think the way that is being played nowadays is quite pathetic. Subs, friends placing start of era and just building up an army all era to suicide if needed, together they make it quite impossible to play an era competitively with just your own team. I've always believed in doing the dirty work yourself, but nowadays the motto seems to be "Sit back, relax, enjoy the ride". Just get a good (boosting?) alliance, get subs, and scary everyone into becoming a sub or handing over relics.

I believe that sums it up quite nicely. As I said, I would love to not have to mention these points, as I used to enjoy playing BD more than almost anything. I've pulled countless allnighters for BD, called half the world, and loved it. However, as was the case the last time I played, it seems you are no longer rewarded for playing like that. But that is an entirely different discussion.

I applaud alliances like the Avengers that intend to go to war with the entire world, but I believe we all know that nowadays that is quite an empty claim as there are not many good alliances left anymore. Still, I think it's a better approach than what I have seen from other alliances lately.

Excuse me if the post has gotten too long, but you asked a question, and I felt obliged to answer.

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 Post subject: Re: Avengers Initiative
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:42 pm 
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Nah, bro

I hear ya. Yeah I hate to have to reminisce about the old days, but this is one of those times when there is no way around it. I actually enjoyed my two months off.....a lot. Not even sure why I'm here, maybe I figured something would be different. There was a time when it was a safe bet to assume every alliance was going for the win. No alliance was afraid to say it either "we are the best". None of this hiding behind 20 subs. Now I seen TK and GML make that many during the whole of the round, not start out with them though. I'm thinking the competitiveness has changed is this is more a social hangout. I like bonding and all with my team mates, but there is whole world out their to hang out at and be social.

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 Post subject: Re: Avengers Initiative
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:11 am 
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Nah, bro

I hear ya. Yeah I hate to have to reminisce about the old days, but this is one of those times when there is no way around it. I actually enjoyed my two months off.....a lot. Not even sure why I'm here, maybe I figured something would be different. There was a time when it was a safe bet to assume every alliance was going for the win. No alliance was afraid to say it either "we are the best". None of this hiding behind 20 subs. Now I seen TK and GML make that many during the whole of the round, not start out with them though. I'm thinking the competitiveness has changed is this is more a social hangout. I like bonding and all with my team mates, but there is whole world out their to hang out at and be social.

That's the truth, now a days it seems alliances may be going for the win, but they dont want to war and will just give up and roll over. Battle dawn isnt the same as it once was, when every alliance that built was playing for the win and everyone would war. There was no reall rolling over and giving up.

I find it funny, when alliances will complain about how boring a world is, when they dont do anything about it and just sit there.

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 Post subject: Re: Avengers Initiative
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:20 am 
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I guess people care more about a top 3 finish. Sure, I handed relics on M1 over to yall in Pew, but I was way too lazy to even fight, and so were half of my people lmao. But still, I prefer a good fight.

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 Post subject: Re: Avengers Initiative
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:57 am 
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I dont like subs, however if needed ill make 1, not 20. When i logged in and saw the name UN1.. i was :shock:

"No alliance was afraid to say it either "we are the best". None of this hiding behind 20 subs. Now I seen TK and GML make that many during the whole of the round, not start out with them though. "

1- We arent hiding behind anyone, stop using that as an excuse, last time i checked we are the ones in the frontline.

2- We didnt start with UN either, before the era even started i thought PHI was going to be helping you, they just decided to help us instead. You shouldnt even be complaining about it, you rejected a nap with them

Unfortunely, i do agree with you at some points, however you cant change ppl, a era with good and fun wars is rare nowadays, in my opinion the hof and all those medal things ruined wath was left of bd, now most ppl just want rank or medals making them give up the era for them.

Edit: Seems like i was wrong about M, my apologies, however TBB will help you unless they get too lazy to login.

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 Post subject: Re: Avengers Initiative
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:07 am 
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isnt this UN thing just temporary anyways? once AI is dead everyone will just go back to there original alliances hopefully

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 Post subject: Re: Avengers Initiative
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:25 pm 
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I'm sorry to use a thread other than the one this quote was posted on, but I simply must answer it and, since this thread is related, I will just do it here.

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As for this.. We differ in opinion here. I think allies to an extent are good, but I believe subs, and especially subs this massively, are simply wrong. They are effective indeed, I do not think anyone denies that. It's also rather effective to backstab, to boost the entire era long, it would actually be rather VERY effective to bribe an admin. That does not mean it is a honorable way to play, a skillful way to play, or even a fun way to play.

As far as "If you dislike it you must have a way to counter it", that is one of the most nonsense arguments I have heard. I believe this shows where your argument goes wrong:

"Sir, they have an atomic bomb! What can we do?!"
"Well, we dislike their atomic bomb. We must miraculously have some wonder weapon we can use against that, RIGHT?!"
"Err well Sir.. We actually have nothing that could possible save us if it hits."

Anyway, I could write a rant describing how I think you are wrong on so many levels, but I'll write it off as a difference of opinion. There seems to be a current field of players that is perfectly comfortable winning eras on mostly the strength of their support teams and the fact that they can simply send 10 subs at whoever opposes them. If that is the way you want to play, I can not blame you. As you said, it is a VERY effective way to play. But then you must also understand that for those (oldschool?) players that would rather win an era by using their own power, their own activity, their own strategy, this way of playing seems very meagre. And indeed, you do not need any real skill or activity for this way of playing. I believe that is the great criticism of the style of playing. All you really need to do is get a large group of players that are utterly bored and content just to build up all era, suicide units and display no skill in general.


I implicitly said I personally didn't support unhonorable methods of playing, and cleared gathering many allies as a completely honest strategy. I hate backstabbing, but I do more than just hate it and complain about it: I actually build ways to counter it. How? Hehe, get your own ideas ;)
And about your example about the nuclear bomb... if it's fired, then yes you might as well be screwed, so just simply don't let them fire it. If you don't think there is a way, then perhaps that's why you might both hate it and fear it. I can go and do a really dumb suggestion and tell you to send 007 to the job, but hell, a spy could be a viable idea... Surely though, we differ on opinions, but please get my idea clear: I won't allow for it to be twisted. That's just how I think: I won't stop here and complain about something, I will both complain about it and do something to counter it.

Now, I personally don't think having about top 50 full of your subs is the receipt for sucess: I don't think there is this single strategy that guarantees you the win, and although I must admit this strategy is very sound and with high chances of sucess, I'm actually already thinking on my ways to counter it. There are always ways to counter a strategy, let it be build your own main alliance and ignore any and all allies, or build a whole sub empire. I personally preffer to have just what I need of both worlds... but ofc, that's my own prefferance, and no matter how I choose, I know my enemy will have ways around it. This game isn't about sitting around and complain that your enemy is finding a better strategy than yours (although you have every right to) but it's about how to topple it.

AI keeps calling UN names, crying out loud on how pittiful their sub-empire is, but UN isn't on the wrong: this isn't a battle of the righteous side versus the evil side, but a war between two sides that both want the win. I am seeing here at AI's right to argument against UN's idea, but I will definitely verbally stomp on any of them that I deem wrong, and I will surely explain why I do. Their guise of heroes doesn't and isn't making them justice here, but I recon that neither is UN: again, they're just two equally right sides that claim they are better than the other. There could be more sides, or the world can be one huge war between the two alone: either way, not the right or the wrong one will win: only the truly best one will.

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 Post subject: Re: Avengers Initiative
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:49 pm 
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OmegaXII wrote:
isnt this UN thing just temporary anyways? once AI is dead everyone will just go back to there original alliances hopefully


YES CORRECT! nothing more nothing less... purely for AI only :mrgreen: like i said, why wait for all of us Neutral alliance to be pin down one after another... might as well do a temporary merge, and flush them out of Europe...SA / NA territory is big... why chose Europe and Asia 1st...?? :roll: ohwell XD

TAG alliance changed only... to know whose going for AI only...that's why i break it down the list as shown below at my biography on whose who to prevent from confusion... this is why there are color coding... red blue yellow purple guys... make the full use of it! ^^

UNITED NATION TEAM LIST:

UN - PHI
UNI1 - TrA
UN2 - PHI2
UN3 - CK
UN4 - PHI4
UN6 - PHI3
UN9 - IW
UN9s - IW sub
UNx - LoL
UNP - POZ
UNBO - BAZO
UNo - BPw
UNI - V
UNi1 - PH1L

SOON TO BE PART OF UN LIST AS SHOWN BELOW which are yet to be updated:

PHI5
IND
IND2
IND3
MRCY
IW2

with each individuals... respect the current terms and current NAP with their respected friendly alliance and subs... no more no less...

once AI is done... back to normal routine... ;) just to show that we UN team want to have fun too... 8-)

Rivals are competitors but doesn't mean that you cannot be allies... at lease im being transparent to the world on whose going to be temporary merging.. rather than other alliance who manipulates and convincing them behind the worlds back to go attack UN... PATHETIC!!

These are definitely "Skrulls" who have taken Avengers Identity... to dominate and manipulate the world... it is up to us to stop this... or our existence shall perish...

Remember people... Avengers protects, not destroys...and do not manipulate or brain wash...

Captain America is fake...!! he is from america though...but i think his Red-Skull the nemesis of Capt ^^, any familiar names that has 1st name with Red... hmmm..i wonder who... :D

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 Post subject: Re: Avengers Initiative
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:03 pm 
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I do hope I am not late for the party

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 Post subject: Re: Avengers Initiative
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:06 pm 
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I do hope I am not late for the party


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