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 Post subject: Re: In the end of all things
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:31 pm 
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LOL, NOT ME

yeah it sucks when friends are favoring somebody that doesnt help


in an alliance i was in, our leader favored 2 people bc they sent him there resources and got him on a high horse and he wouldnt let them go since we needed armies and activeness so we let him go by voteing a new leader

friends dont let friends make stupid decisions

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 Post subject: Re: In the end of all things
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:34 pm 
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LOL, NOT ME

yeah it sucks when friends are favoring somebody that doesnt help


in an alliance i was in, our leader favored 2 people bc they sent him there resources and got him on a high horse and he wouldnt let them go since we needed armies and activeness so we let him go by voteing a new leader

friends dont let friends make stupid decisions


I believe you've been missing the point entirely...

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 Post subject: Re: In the end of all things
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:33 pm 
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Is there a summary of your post I can read? That one just seems a bit lengthy, but because I love you I guess I will try to read the whole thing.

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Did Alex have any reason for not releasing names of people he accused you of 'planting?'

Overall thought I don't think this fight on battledawn is worth the cost of a 5 year friendship, you of all people Kenny should know that someone in game is a completely different person somtimes than they are or were in the outside world/forums. But then again, his distrust shows a weak foundation to a friendship but I would like to hear his side as well.


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That has been what I've been against in my career of Battle Dawn. The mentality of "winning at whatever the cost."


I personally think that this doesnt work. Whenever I play the game, I recruit a team that I can trust with my life. I make a deal with someone but the deal stays only as long as the situation favors me. After that there are 3 options:

1. The other team gives me what I want
2. They attack me
3. I attack them

I will do whatever is necessary to win. I dont worry about people calling me dishonorable or a liar or a cheater or whatever. Its after all a war game. And I am not here to gain fake brownie points from people or be hailed as a great man. I am here to win. Thats my mantra.

HOWEVER there is one line that I will never cross. I have made some great friends on the game some of whom I have had the privilege to meet in RL and come what may, I always keep in mind that some things go beyond a round. Now I am no angel. I have gotten wound up and yelled at my friends, but I have always gone back and apologized and sorted things out.

The other thing is about subs. I personally dont think there is any difference between subs or allies. And I dont think subs are bad for the game or that someone shouldnt have subs. Its part of the game. So its alright. People make a big deal about subs, but even though I dont like it, I dont worry about it so much.

So all this BS over lying on BD, backstabbing, honor, subs, spies etc is just boring and childish to fight over imo.


I half agree with your statement, but the honor/integrity helps make the diplomacy of the game more real. It all depends on how you want to play the game.

A. For fun

B. To win

One thing I do agree with you with (wholeheartedly) is that something over Battledawn shouldn't be enough to ruin a long term friendship.

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 Post subject: Re: In the end of all things
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:02 pm 
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[quote="Jake"]Is there a summary of your post I can read? That one just seems a bit lengthy, but because I love you I guess I will try to read the whole thing.

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Did Alex have any reason for not releasing names of people he accused you of 'planting?'

two possibilities come to mind immediately:
hes just blowing smoke, i have known him a short time but he seems to do it a lot
the other is that he didnt want kenny contacting those enemies in case he was wrong

im inclined to believe the sooner


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 Post subject: Re: In the end of all things
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:42 am 
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All I see is Alex doing what he does best. Using people to get him a win with little to no work. This is fine and if my name is mud for playing my heart out sticking by my real friends then so be it. Alex is obsessed with me. win or lose I could care less about him.

Funny thing is Alex wanted to beat TLA (my team), yet all he has done is cost himself the friendship of one of the games greats in Kenny. even with NYR flag on my colony none of this is a real win for Alex. lol

Good luck alex and to all my BD friends I love you and will always be behind you!

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 Post subject: Re: In the end of all things
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:23 am 
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A lot of people have been asking me to comment, or say anything on the forums concerning E1. Perhaps it's because they want to see a flame war. Perhaps they want to see me get banned really bad because they know I used to have a big temper about how people play this game. I guess I picked a good era to leave, because this era is a perfect example of all the things I fought against while playing Battle Dawn for the long career that I have.


You mean besides winning battles by actual warfare?

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I guess that people deserve to know exactly how this entire era started. I'm not going to spread biased crap, and I'm sure that a lot of people will want to say that I am. Alex and I were friends of 4 years now, as to why that friendship no longer exists will be explained thoroughly throughout the course of this post. He played an era on F2 leading an alliance called Blue, in which I was convinced by many other friends to mess around in an alliance called Red. There was also an alliance called Gold, which ended up merging a bunch of people from TLA, including Staffy and Langy. Red died fast, but I continued to watch the era out of interest. This was, as Routhy said, a rather boring era topped off with a rather boring alliance(Blue). As I watched as Gold and ECO fight the majority of the war, I saw Blue mostly gearing up for relic captures and killing off a few alliances here and there. Harsh words fell between both sides, and the egos of Staffy and Alex clashed normally. There are things that Staffy could've gone without saying, and the same for Alex. It was decided by ECO that Gold was the better alliance for the round, and that Blue should hand over their relics to Gold. Alex refused to do so, but later emptied his relics in compliance. Gold and ECO were too mad at this point to care that he did, and systematically tore Blue apart.


You didn't watch a thing - You did one spam bomb and for the rest talked to Staffy all round. Rofl. We did prepare for relic captures - so did they - both of us made sure we were on gates (but none of them were online when relics came - bad timing)

The fact is we joined that war on request - the fact is that war cost us almost all our mines and power - the fact is that while we didn't have a united main, I dare say Ryan and some others had more kills then anyone did solo - and they had to - the flanks were uncovered.


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Why that all matters is because we need to sit back and evaluate the two biggest egos of the round, Staffy and Alex. When faced with total annihilation, Alex branded Staffy a backstabber, things came up about his past about how he account shared, mud flew.


Lol. He did backstab - he locked down 6 armies and called for a "peaceful solution. I am sorry, but what is that to you? A hard bargain? :lol:

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To me, it looked like a man with mental disabilities who was blindfolded and happened to have mud in his hands. I'm not going to gush about Staffy, but after playing with him, I've seen who he is. He may be ill-tempered sometimes and a bit overbearing, but it's not like the guy is a devil. The guy legitimately cares about his record and his honor. This is why I recruited him.


He backstabbed more people then just me - I would bother to check his background before saying such things. His "honor" is just there when he needs it. :roll:


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I didn't recruit him as an F-bomb to Alex, but because I respected the struggle he was going through. Here he was, a man with honor who had been branded dishonorable by someone who overreacted about the situation. From my point of view, what Staffy did to Alex was not a backstab. A low blow, but the terms were clear and I saw both sides because I had friends on both sides. I saw the debates happening because I was IN the chats that they happened in. What Staffy did was a low blow, but nothing that justified a campaign against him personally.


Yeah. I guess it's not personal when you spend 1500 ticks requesting the rank 1 for help, recruiting members under the wing, then the moment it's apparent we're winning start bullying my members, demanding things and eventually just backstab.

Guess I should expect that kind of judgement from a guy who seems to have all his skills in his mouth.

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I recruited Staffy to show him how I lead, and how I work. I wanted to show him how to pull himself back and play calmer. What better way to teach a man, than work alongside him for months? That's my logic behind recruiting this man.


With due respect, he may be dishonorable, but he's still a better leader then you are. Both of my era's with you were deeply disappointing and seeing you eat 3 nukes this era didn't impress me much either.

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Unfortunately, my record has been attacked. Mostly through an era that I joined out of impulse and ended with a bit of disrespect from some of the people I played with. The alliance F and TLG on E3. The one where I notably sent fake logs to 9gag in order to scare them off of a relic. This is the one that Alex likes to bring up against me as a case for why I'm a terrible person and a bad leader. It's a dirty play, but the fake logs sent to 9gag never implied any hostility towards TLG. Many, if not all, of my alliance of that era have seen the logs and can tell you that they were not fully serious and that none of it would directly involve TLG.


Seems your alliance disagrees on that from the chats after - but I guess you wouldn't know as you entered vacation mode and judged us for wasting our time and money on the round. :roll:

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Karl (leader of TLG) betrayed the terms of our pact and killed us, with the blame that the logs offended them. Of course, they would never show exactly what 9gag had told them. I have suspicions that 9gag didn't show them the logs that I gave them, but altered them further. I cannot prove this because Karl will not divulge exactly what 9gag showed them. I wish I had those readily available to show you, but I am not on the computer that holds them.


With all due respect - your response to it and his response to it made it pretty clear to me he's most likely right.

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In my opinion, there are dirtier things I've done in Battle Dawn than the scenario described above. I believe the dirtiest thing I did was recruit a member from the main alliance of a sub empire, told him to ask the leader of the sub empire to if he could go down to a sub, then instead of joining the sub, he joined the alliance I was participating in.


Thanks for faking logs to help us on F2. Lol. While I was amused it kind of shows your "honor" when you're not even playing and try to rip apart an empire because you can. Rofl.


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I would think that era would serve as more of a talking point about my record, as it was done on a round I took a bit more seriously. This being said, I have no problem talking about my record over the past 5 years or more that I've played Battle Dawn. The thing I've been commended about most in Battle Dawn is my honesty during a serious era. I tell alliances how it is, and declare war earlier than I actually plan to start the war.


So you

- Did not (in fact) have your members convince TW to backstab us.
- Did not have Jan try to make it appear as if CB was on your side hoping we would stab them to neutralize their threat.
- Did not convince 2-3 members of our ally WFBS to leave them
- Did not talk to TT with sad stories trying to make them believe you attacking them was all just an unfortunate event :roll:

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This game while it is a deceptive game of diplomacy and strategy has had moral structure. It's been frowned upon to manipulate people in a way that is only beneficial to you. It's been frowned upon to use subs. It's been frowned upon to backstab, cheat, lie to people. It's been frowned upon to throw mud at people. That has been what I've been against in my career of Battle Dawn. The mentality of "winning at whatever the cost." This is a game people. It shows a lot about people's character, pride, and dignity. I would think that the last three aforementioned things would mean more than winning the game.


My god you're full of crap.

You don't use "subs", no, you use 5 (!) diplomatically independent alliances who war who you tell them to war and protect your flanks. At least I admit clear and easy - These are my subs. They're there to help me. You're doing the exact same thing - you're just being a moral knight about it.

It's OK Kenny. If you call it "Family", "Helpers" or "MDP" who just give you relics and do what you ask, it's not a sub. Huge difference. :roll:

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I create this alliance, RU. At first I wanted to recruit KeNt and Jan, who refused out of the fact that they didn't have the time and didn't want to waste my time if they couldn't give me the activity I needed. Instead, they insisted on creating an alliance next to me called ExSo and being as much help as they wanted. I welcomed the help but I refused to call them a sub or have them absorb my diplomatic agreements. In fact, the only reason why I didn't care that they were joining is because they were inactive. They didn't plan on actively helping me or even listening to whatever suggestions I gave. I even told them on many occasions to stop eating butter and go kill this hostile alliance in Africa sitting 6 ticks away from them the entire time! I bring this up mostly because Alex has used ExSo as a means of justifying what he has done.


ExSo did more fighting this round then you did. Unless you consider losing most of your main in a rather stupid attack on the rank 9 alliance fighting.
Or eating nukes for that matter.

You don't manipulate? Really? That's funny. Because I see conflicting stories from all ends about things you say. Guess that's just "convenient informing", isn't it? ;)

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When I place one of my pods in Europe, there is a new alliance starting by the name of CEF, they were decently active and obviously donated and I could not beat them 3v10. Instead, I figured I could sign an MDP with them and teach them how to play properly. This is what I do from time to time.. I see active people who are playing incorrectly, and I teach them how to play correctly to see who could potentially be a new great player. They even asked me if they could become my sub, I said no. Later they told me they were worried about NYR attacking them and that they were a bit too scared to go into diplomatic talks with Alex. I told Alex straight up that I wished for him to sign a pact similar with CEF that I had signed with him. In doing so, Alex assumed that I had effectively subbed CEF. Perhaps the pact was like a sub, but it wasn't the sub that was protecting ME, it was ME who was protecting THEM so that I could find a way to teach them how to play this game. Obviously, they weren't ready for a war and now probably half that alliance won't play BD again, because they understand what happened. I didn't even tell them what had gone on between Alex and I, it seems that dishonorable actions are a universal language.


[[5/28/2012 10:16:04 PM] Kenny: CEF has a permanent pact with me, and the leader is asking me if he could sign a pact similar with you.
[5/28/2012 10:16:11 PM] Kenny: a NAP until tick 599
[5/28/2012 10:17:06 PM] Alexander: Good for their leader but I already have a much longer nap with him
[5/28/2012 10:17:07 PM] Alexander: lol.
[5/28/2012 10:17:14 PM] Kenny: Hahaha
[5/28/2012 10:17:21 PM] Kenny: That's funny
[5/28/2012 10:17:32 PM] Alexander: We are napped permanently
[5/28/2012 10:17:32 PM] Alexander: :P
[5/28/2012 10:17:50 PM] Kenny: His pacts just got wiped.
[5/28/2012 10:17:53 PM] Kenny: Absorbed into me.
[5/28/2012 10:18:21 PM] Alexander: lol
[5/28/2012 10:19:06 PM] Kenny: You know I don't believe in subs
[5/28/2012 10:19:20 PM] Kenny: But permanent allies? sure.[/code]

All pacts absorbed, they attack on your command, permanent allies... Gosh. Glad you don't use subs, Kenny!

We had a NAP with them - they opened fire on us despite it. Because they were "absorbed" into your nap with them. Totally _NOT_ a sub!


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Which finally brings as to why this specific war happened. When Alex listed the reasons why he played the way he did he said it was because:

1. I had lied to him about many topics.
2. I had denied him a fair 1v1 war by "subbing ExSo and CEF"
3. I planted spies within his subs.
4. I planted people around his territory with the sole purpose to suicide units into him.


First of all I have evidence of several of your lies and the likes. Don't worry, i'll release them on the end of the round. :)

I have (in fact) requested a 1v1 war and it got denied. You had allies - UAA, CEF, ExSo, SN. I made my own counters - if you play hardball I play harder ball. :lol:

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My retorts were quite simple:

1. I changed my skype password to lolalex1 and told him to go through my logs and see that I was telling the truth. My password has changed back since then obviously.

2. I never subbed ExSo and CEF as seen above, and I doubt they would be a problem considering at the time he told me this, he had these subs: NYRq NYRl NYRs NYRz NYRe NYR1 and MONG.

3. I asked him what people he was talking about. He divulged no names and continued to tell me I had. I considered it, but realized that I didn't want to treat Alex that way at all.

4. To my knowledge, there is only one player I've ever placed, a player by the name of Mrob, or Mary Robinson. I placed her after this talk I had with Alex. He could only point out one player, ceja1, who I didn't send. Neither is he in a logical place to be if I were to have sent him.


I've found
- Ceja
- Ampharos
- Jer
Perhaps Simen can see if he can find some more? :) I guess them being in my territory isn't logical if they're against me. :lol:


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What shocked me is that no matter what I said, or did, Alex was convinced that my character was of that of a liar, scumbag, backstabber. This is why we are no longer friends. Another interesting point is that he blocked me after my retorts.


You in fact blocked me - not the other way around. The sad thing is, Kenny, I know you did what I accused yo uoff. The fact you - seeing loss in the face - tried to manipulate me using an old friend ship, is truly, truly a very sad thing.

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I guess I can't really blame TT for what they did. They were faced with annihilation by my alliance, but at least we were going to host a fair fight. I was going to alert them 5-10 ticks before, and our closest gate probably would've remained jammed.


A fair fight with ExSo and SN in ME, you and CEF in Europe and UAA as backup. Real fair man.
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That didn't happen, as they changed themselves to NYRt in order to guarantee that NYR would join as soon as I launched. Interesting that this happened right when our pact with TT ended and our squads were up. I guess coincidences do happen. Or am I left to assume that NYR never intended to keep a pact to tick 599, and would do whatever it took to fight us before tick 599.


We protect our allies - TT were loyal to us we offered them protection to make clear an attack on TT is an attack on us. Besides I would like to point out the extremely rude, unreasonable, arrogant and condescending way you dealt with me and several other alliances. This was a large reason why several including my own alliance wanted you gone so badly.

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In the end of all things, call me what you will, fight me how you please, but do not insult my honor or character. Those are the 2 things that matter most to me and I have upheld.


Keep dreaming

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So good luck NYR, I guess you need all the help you can get to feel safe. What I have seen occur is the epitome of the disgusting behavior of Battle Dawn, and the true character of some of the people involved in NYR. Please, if you haven't been directly involved in what I have said today, realize my attack is not towards you. I do want to remind you that honor and character will stick towards you no matter what happens, and part of that has to do with the crowd you associate with. Be careful with how this plays out.


My alliance received all information I did, so did my allies. It told us quite enough. Teach your members not to leak in other chats. It makes you look like an idiot.

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In the end of all things, I am the man who calls it as he sees it, and has upheld my honor and character throughout this whole ordeal, throughout this whole BD career, and throughout my entire life.



Zzzz on buddy!


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All I see is Alex doing what he does best. Using people to get him a win with little to no work. This is fine and if my name is mud for playing my heart out sticking by my real friends then so be it. Alex is obsessed with me. win or lose I could care less about him.

Funny thing is Alex wanted to beat TLA (my team), yet all he has done is cost himself the friendship of one of the games greats in Kenny. even with NYR flag on my colony none of this is a real win for Alex. lol

Good luck alex and to all my BD friends I love you and will always be behind you!

Staffy


My allies have the battle reports - If they make a complaint I will listen. I will not however answer to a guy who's pretty much known for being your best friend right until he kills you.

You were challenged for E4 and to much of a chicken to come - thus I came to you. We figured E1 was looking boring anyway - might as well shake things up and have some fun. :) We enjoyed the stress of late starting!





Finally - Kenny, don't ever contact me again. I have hard evidence of the way you acted and done in this round - I can forgive for that as it's just a game and I considered our friendship more important then that.

What I can't forgive is the fact you tried to manipulate me abusing that friendship to rat yourself out of your fate. That's not acceptable. And one who does that is not my friend. Have a nice life!


It wasn't just Staffy that killed you - It was the general way you were acting and thinking. You would have successfully ganged up on and eliminated my allies one by one by pulling them apart, playing them against each other, using NAP's as bullying tool (Threatening to sub TT and kill me if I don't give up mines... rofl) and placing colonies to stall expansion. You got yourself to blame for this. You got punished E3, you got punished E1.

In the future - perhaps try winning battles by skill opposed to tongue. Seriously - dude - you can say what you want but the way you fought TT was pretty damn disappointing.

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 Post subject: Re: In the end of all things
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:35 am 
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Wow that's a lot of hot air.... Alex go take a walk mate. BD well its not your life.

whether you want to admit it or not you where useless in F2 much like you are useless in E1.. your a politician and good at manipulating even your own team members in f2 told me how much your team sucked.

really lol you are insignificant to me. you tried to use me it did not work. If you want I can send you a bridge building kit so you can get over it?

I will play for fun your so obsessed with me I cant really see how this can be fun for you. I know your amazing the only person who can do sweet f all and win an era lol. you feel good that you ruined a friendship over me? and beat kenny's team?

you still never beat TLA you useless idiot lol

:) p.s... I was never your friend. I lead your brother alliance for langy. You where always an egotistical nub to me nothing more. I owed you nothing then and I owe you nothing now... You really are a sad little man! If I failed to come to E4 for you well I am sorry its just that you simply don't matter to me. I have no need to even concern myself over you. But feel free to make me your life it seems like you need something to believe in :)

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 Post subject: Re: In the end of all things
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:29 am 
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You Mr.Boggieman u should get down from that high horse u riding. Nobody is obsessed with you, get that out of your head. You portrait yourself as god, what kind of person are u?
Just look at what u write. Just some strange overconfident blown up by himslef ego maniac.

Alex is ok. Those little stories u spread about him are just some cheap trashtalk.
And btw we got to e1 not on Alex's "obsession about you". Everybody from the roster felt they wanna go here instead of lame e4.
So it resulted in us being late and forming on tick 50. And for last as of Alex doing nothing is just gibberish again, you are not in our team to judge who does what and who doesnt. So please be rational when you open your mouth. Thank you.

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Respectfully agree to disagree. It doesn't matter I wish you all the best intentions I am having fun. enjoying myself that is what the game is about. I hope you are all successful this era. I mean it looks to be over and you and you 170 others will get you guys the win and I congratulate all NYR for this prestigious victory.


Good luck in life and Game to all the BD community. I might go and do something useful in my life. Like not turn up to work tired and take my wife out for a romantic dinner make work on those kids we planning. Go camping or maybe and fix my boat. I don't know something useful and purposeful.

I am not running BD elect I never needed everyone to like me. In my BD time I have lead great teams, Shared great laughs and had a hell of a lot of fun along the way!

you guys can beat this dead horse all you want just don't forget to have fun.

There is more to life then how much EXP your troops have or what your kill ratio is.

Good luck again to everyone.... everywhere!

Alexander "You were challenged for E4 and to much of a chicken to come - thus I came to you.".

My apologies for assuming he is obsessed with me.

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 Post subject: Re: In the end of all things
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Just a quick question.

If you didn't "create or have someone place" to spam NYR, then what is this.

[Friday, June 01, 2012 8:20 AM] Staffyman is "The Boogieman":
<<< what about kenny dropping a castle near them and spamming them
[11:18:43 PM] Joshua Folan (VB): or yixil
[11:19:24 PM] Staffyman is "The Boogieman": yeah I can get that done
[11:19:59 PM] Joshua Folan (VB): I am in E1 by the way. lol
[11:20:13 PM] Joshua Folan (VB): just building my castle for now
[11:20:30 PM] Joshua Folan (VB): I am only gonna be spamming
[11:20:40 PM] Joshua Folan (VB): not wasting blues on it
[11:20:51 PM] Staffyman is "The Boogieman": ALL I NEED
[11:20:56 PM] Staffyman is "The Boogieman": :)

And you say "Oh I don't need honor or people to like me" How do you think the greats got so great? By cheating and lying and stabbing as you have? No, they played fair, kept their word(s), did not CHEAT (as the aforementioned states)

I guess the saying is true, once a cheater always a cheater. Huh stabby? :lol:

As for the rest of you, I have no respect for any, you all lost that by proving you're willing to stand by and let other cheat, and TELL you about it nonetheless, and not say anything, not stand up for whats right, but sit by the wayside and watch as you all cheat to try to get a win. Its quite sad actually. I have multiple logs from people showing times where Kenny, or Stabby or Peter or any of those nubs go and ask for people to spam us. So for all those in RU saying "We're right, you guys cheat and are dishonest and have no honor or morality" I suggest you take a look within your own alliance before you speak out about others.

If you want to refute stabby, go ahead, I have plenty more logs. As for you Kenny, i'm sure you'll come back with some witty remark on how great you all are and never did anything wrong, but you and many others in that alliances are not only guilty of cheating, but you're guilty by association too.

So bring on your jabs at me and whatever else you want to throw at me, "Sling your mud" if you must. But one thing is for damn sure, you won't sit here and tell me we have no honor, we're a bunch of cheaters, and that you lost respect for us, because if you sit here and tell me you have no respect for me, it makes no difference, because you know as well as I do, if these logs gets released from YOUR chat, you will have nothing. No friends, no honor, no repect, no nothing.

Good day


Last edited by Locke12 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:42 am, edited 1 time in total.

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