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gevorg · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:12 am

Amazing to see how old players approve all this things... Kind of disapointment.
So if something is legal, but still is dirty and low, or may even cost you losing respect, you're still going to do it?

How can you ever approve what was done there in Alaska... to me it's shameful.

We clearly don't have same values... Didn't know you guys were like that.

What about ToS they can be changed, stop using them as the only excuse.

mfreak · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:17 am

The ToS are the only source of info on things that are legal/illegal. So we depend on them.

Now as for old players approving all these things argument, do you really think new players are worthless? Are you trying to tell me that there are no new players that are better players than older players? What does it matter, how long one has played this game?

I will tell you something I have noticed on BD. The longer a person plays this game, the wussier they get.

Complaining and (Want to be allies? Sometimes I like to pretend I am a princess riding a pony..) about everything and behaving like spoiled little girls. Talking about honor, values, respect etc., Barring a few ofc. And there is a reason for it. The game gets to their heads after a period of time. They need to quit.

Learn to look at things objectively. This is a game. Anything not on the ToS, is perfectly valid. Just because it annoys someone ingame, does not mean it isnt a valid tactic.

There are only good and bad tactics in a game. Bad tactics cost you a battle or two, maybe a war or even the era. Good tactics win you battles and maybe an era.

But passing a judgement on a persons character, based on ingame tactics, is being childish and immature. Grow up. Its got nothing to do with the number of years one has spent on this game.

gevorg · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:31 am

mfreak wrote:

The ToS are the only source of info on things that are legal/illegal. So we depend on them.

ToS in real life can be compared to law, rules ... And not all laws are moral. There are always exceptions, and you know it good.
And what about ToS, it can be modified. The morality (if i can say it so) can't be.
Looks like ToS is your only excuse, as i said earlier.

mfreak wrote:

Now as for old players approving all these things argument, do you really think new players are worthless? Are you trying to tell me that there are no new players that are better players than older players? What does it matter, how long one has played this game?

By old players, i meant experienced players... I never said it anything bad against new players. I'm talking about famous, valued, experienced players who has some more knowledge be it in game, or in real... And it's sad to see them approving this kind of low things.
Anyway it's my opinion, you do what you want.

mfreak wrote:

Learn to look at things objectively. This is a game. Anything not on the ToS, is perfectly valid. Just because it annoys someone ingame, does not mean it isn't a valid tactic.

That's such a robotic point of view man lol...so less humanity. There are a lot of examples when the law (here tos) was wrong in the history. So stop relying on it, gotta think by yourself sometimes instead of blindly following it. Plus it can be changed.
You keep pushing this, cause it's in your interests, but from general point of view, i'm right and i know it (wiggle wiggle wiggle yeah :mrgreen:

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mfreak wrote:

There are only good and bad tactics in a game. Bad tactics cost you a battle or two, maybe a war or even the era. Good tactics win you battles and maybe an era.

Never said the opposite. But it's just a game, and for me the respect goes over the victory.

mfreak wrote:

Its got nothing to do with the number of years one has spent on this game.

Never said anything like that. Even though it has a bit of influence however.

mfreak · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:53 am

Quote:

That's such a robotic point of view man lol...so less humanity. There are a lot of examples when the law (here tos) was wrong in the history. So stop relying on it, gotta think by yourself sometimes instead of blindly following it. Plus it can be changed.
You keep pushing this, cause it's in your interests, but from general point of view, i'm right and i know it (wiggle wiggle wiggle yeah )

LOL man what humanity? Its a game, and you gotta play by the rule book. You cannot restrict yourself with everything. So what if your enemy builds relocation outposts you shouldnt attack those outposts? They are hostile aren't they? Why would you give your enemy territory in the middle of war?

BTW yes the rulebook keeps changing, but so what, we dont have anything else to refer to. For example, if my friend wasnt online and he was gonna get killed, my loyalty to the alliance suggests that I use his account and login and move his squads. Its wrong according to the rulebook, but in my personal rulebook its valid. What do I do? Therefore you cant apply morals to a game. You dont lose any respect if you do what you gotta do, and stand by your decisions.

gevorg · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:10 am

Admins are part of those rules, and they banned the spam colony, which means according to rules (admins) that's cheating/dirty playing.
It's not you who make the rules.

I said my point, it's useless to continue arguing over this, since it will give no result. I feel like talking with walls lol...

Peace.

P.S: Since i find it's useless to keep arguing over this and there is nothing more to add to what has been already said, i'm asking to close/lock this topic. Thanks.

mfreak · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:49 am

Admins are supposed to ban according to the rule book. Its not me that makes the rules. Neither do the admins. They are supposed to administrate based on what is in the rulebook, and cannot interpret rules according to convenience. If there is a grey area, the player doesnt deserve a ban. Period.

Random · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:21 pm

Well why do the ARM members start topics? It always ends up an Arguement

chocotrakstar · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:31 pm

Go RUN!!!

Andrew · **Posted:** Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:42 pm

Terms of Service wrote:

7.2 Eligibility: You may play Battle Dawn with Your User Account in several worlds, and build one Colony on each world. You may not create and manage more than one Colony in a single Battle Dawn world, even with multiple User Accounts. You may not allow 3rd parties to generate Colonies on Your behalf or for Your benefit. Tacticsoft may notify Users should it consider You to be in violation of this clause either by attaching an icon to Your Colony or any other means.

Abusing spam colonies like this is against the ToS. If you convince someone who's already playing to assist you that's a different story but to have someone make a colony to instantly get troops to an area you otherwise wouldn't be able to is cheating. Had no one placed a colony here(3 times mind you this was done...) you wouldn't have had the means to take the outpost and deny ARM/ARMT their ability to relocate. You had to go outside the mechanics of the round to achieve this. Not only was it a ridiculously lame tactic to achieve victory IMO but it broke the ToS.

This kind of spam colony problem is going to be addressed hopefully in the next update, Michael programmed it today. After a certain tick there will be a "warm-up" period for colonies where they cannot make any attacks so that colonies joining into the game later must wait 36-48 ticks before attacks can be made.

It's too bad that the end of the round has to be accomplished by such dirty actions

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-Andrew

cosmin1980 · **Joined:** Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:49 am **Posts:** 231

Andrew,

While we all deeply value your thoughts and opinions, if you ever call RUN or KOH cheaters or lame winners again I will make you pay for it...in hard currency.

Stop blaming the deficiencies of the game you so poorly manage on the players. You denied KOH a lockdown which would have finished ARM off round tick 1500 because of a bug (admitted by Michael mind you) and we didn't even get an apology. You changed the spy rules mid era and rendered our strategies useless. You found multiple multies within ARM subs and never accused them of playing dirty.

Now you come with no proof and dare to challenge our victory? I expect a personal apology unless you can come up with more than circumstantial blabber to back up your statements. At any time any player is entitled to build a colony, join an alliance and fight its enemies. That is exactly what happened on 3006 hive. If you want that player not to be able to attack for a period of time code it into the game. This "spamming colonies" nonsense has been discussed starting more than a year ago and since then you did absolutely nothing to address this issue if you think it is wrong. And now you have the nerve to bring it up as a new issue that will be addressed in a new update? I would also strongly suggest you consult a lawyer before you answer should you choose to push these false accusations any further.

Best regards,

ARM ennemies' only hope