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 Post subject: Re: ARM vs. RUN
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:52 am 
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Robb first off we dont go by technicalities. KoH does fly their own flag. But I had asked RMO personally to stay off of KoH and RUN. Your bro Rain from POZ asks you and therefore you choose to attack, ignoring the words of your "brother from another mother"?

Your decision was wrong. So stop with the - You pissants are pissin and moanin talk. Its not like you can do anything you want, and people shouldnt call your actions out, when they are wrong.

Lastly its not strategy, its not war, its just stealing crystals which you guys did. You may not care about the game, thats alright. But you gotta care about what your friends in game care about. Atleast think about it, when I personally come to you and tell you something. If you dont, then that is just being selfish.

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 Post subject: Re: ARM vs. RUN
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:17 am 
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Honestly there is no way that anybody in RUN, KOH, or any other alliance can really blame RMO for what they did. RMO has been sitting back in a position where 4 of the top 10 alliance are posted up in North America and 2 others are sitting in South America.

This is a war game. Whether you like it or not, that is the concept that this game was built on. You play to win, strategize, and have a good time. With RMO being the second most powerful alliance in the game based purely on stats, if they are honestly playing to win, as everybody else is, who could pass up on the easy pickings of an alliance that was ignorant enough to take their entire army 3/4 of the way across the map. With those crystals, they'd be playing for one of the top alliances at the end of the era. They probably weren't the only alliance to be thinking about that at this point. 3006, OMGA, and ORK all could have made a run at those too.

Don't take these things personally. Any other alliance would have taken the opportunity if they are actually playing the game as it is meant to be played. RMO just beat the others to the punch.


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 Post subject: Re: ARM vs. RUN
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:21 am 
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That would be a valid argument had RMO been just another alliance. They are friends, and not just ingame. Therefore strategy and easy pickings are moot points.

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 Post subject: Re: ARM vs. RUN
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:12 am 
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That would be a valid argument had RMO been just another alliance. They are friends, and not just ingame. Therefore strategy and easy pickings are moot points.


Most of the people in all of the top alliances are either friends and or have played on the same side of the fence one time or another. I am Friends with a lot of people RUN to where you will never see me using the you are my friend card. When push comes to shove this is a war game to where RMO I guess beside just coming to the aid of Rain, became a little bored with this round looking for some excitement. Also, like RUN2 did to ARM, they simply took advantage of a potentially lucrative situation. That is just my humble observation

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 Post subject: Re: ARM vs. RUN
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:15 am 
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They did not take advantage of anything. And we are not playing the friend card just like that, its because we really ARE friends in RL. We know these guys. So you'd expect them to behave differently, or not go back on their word over a game, because you have spoken to them personally. What RMO did is not war, is not use strategy, is not take advantage of a lucrative situation, was not even for their alliance as they themselves have said it. It was just to help POZ, but then the best thing to do when 2 friends are on opposite sides, is to stay out of it and not take sides.

What RUN2 did to ARMT, was start a war. In order to win the era. RMO was not doing that. They were helping someone, but their decision to take a side, was wrong. If they wanted to, they should have done it right at the start. Not after they agreed to me personally not to attack KoH.

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 Post subject: Re: ARM vs. RUN
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:38 am 
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Allen first off take it easy you might rip your skirt. Ya sound like a spoiled little biootch and YES I CAN SAY THAT because I do know you in real life. I'm sitting here laughing my azz off at your ranting and raving and stamping your feet.

Let me ask you this. WHEN did I EVER contact you and say I wouldn't attack KOH. For that matter when did you ever even present that question to me. You never once spoke to me about any of that. KOH was never part of any equation PERIOD.

We kept the peace with all of RUN and with all of ARM as we were asked by both groups. Just as we were asked by both groups to attack the other. We took no sides. But yes when Rain contacted us and asked us to draw some fire from KOH Brian and I sat back and laughed at the prospect of sweeping into their hive and wiping them out. Their army was on the other side of the map and they were busy fighting a war for someone else as we now know.

I can give a rat's azz about the politics between ARM and RUN. Makes no matter to meone way or the other. Y'all need your damned heads examined if you're pizzin away that much money just to gain bragging rights over beating one another.

Another tidbit for you , I thought since you do know me in real life that trying to win a debate against me over the perceptions of what is right and not right on a STUPID FREE INTERNET GAME is like you shoveling sht against the tide brother. It gets you nowhere. Nothing you or anybody can say will ever sway my stance. This is pretty much why for more eras we have not teamed up. Difference of opinions and perceptions. If you think back to that era we were all supposed to be together when you failed to bring in a majority of "The Family" because you instead chose to recruit your TOP PLAYERS your TEAM failed miserably. Well Rain was one of the guys that was left out in the cold and ultimately joined with my pack of misfit toys. Ever since then he's been a part of the family and has always answered any call to arms. Sort of like the current F1 where as usual when it comes to our groups you are "WATCHING". Cool brother that is your thing and we have no problem with it. Love you just the same but NEVER try and put me on the spot saying I turn against my friends. My true friends are the guys I live and die with round after round regardless of what happens. We take the good with the bad and have a blast playing either way becuase we ALL can give a rat's azz about our achievements, rankings or other accolades.

Yo buddy you need to step back and look at this from a different point. What if we decided not to honor the request made to us by Rain? He is a friend and brother too. and like I said NEVER have you had me say I wouldn't lead this group against KOH because the request was never presented to me.

Now go and enjoy a goat meat sandwich and I'll think of you when I chow down on an In & Out Burger. LMAO Get over it buddy. It's a frickin game and nothing more. If you let this game muddy our friendship than I guess you're not really worth calling a friend but rather an acquaintance. Still love ya man.

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 Post subject: Re: ARM vs. RUN
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:19 am 
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Robb I did tell Brian when Colibrie attacked KoH, to not attack them, since I did not actually know it was you leading RMO, since your achievements seemed to be less than 30. Until a few days ago.

Secondly, it was not me that failed in the era that we played together, it was YOU. The era that we played against Arif as POSW, was the worst coordinated in all of my BD eras. It kinda hurts me to say that, but since you show no remorse, I will not as well. Constant rants, getting personal with other players and commenting on their place of origin, calling them names, abusive broadcasts and that together with Zero activity cost us the era, and we went down like noobs that couldn't find their ass in the dark. Ask Andrei and he will tell you how we got our entire 400 squads nuked by our own nukes, and noone was there to make even one phone call.

Coming to the era on F4, where I quit after a few 100 ticks, the exact same thing happened. I dont quite agree with covering entire areas of the map with camps, I dont agree with pods spread out everywhere, with zero activity, I dont appreciate when people launch and *CENSORED* off never to return, and I dont agree with the attitude that the entire team should suicide, even if 9 members out of 10 were there to pull back, just because 1 couldn't get online. These are silly tactics that I dont much respect. We ride together and we die together makes for a good catch phrase, but it doesnt quite make for good strategy. And this IS a strategy game after all. And on that era when I attempted to lead, there was a general lack of consensus and a general lack of cooperation. Heck Brian went to lengths of broadcasting *CENSORED* about me, because HE was not on to turn his squads. So its not my fault, its solely YOURS - meaning the "family".

If you knew me in RL you would know that arguing with me is indeed like arguing with you aka shoveling *CENSORED* against the tide. Mark my words, once I take a stance, I dont sway. Much like you. So save your BS and man talk for someone else, I am not really interested. What you did was tasteless and wrong. PERIOD.

Lastly, when you sign up for a game, and decide to play, you play the game the way it is supposed to be played. You dont do something stupid and then tell me "this is just a game". For example, if you invited me to play a game of lets say, baseball, and lets say I kept fooling around and ruining everyone's time, would you appreciate it? Of course not. So dont give me this "free *CENSORED* internet game" lecture, because Ive heard it a lot of times, and I do know it is just a game. So if it is just a game, why did the fact that Rain helped you out a lot in other rounds have to factor in on your decision? If you just looked at people, then you should have thought - "Allen is a friend, so is Rain. Ill just stay out of it". But no, the game infact DOES matter to you, and that is why you chose Rain. Maybe you are pissed that I havent actively played in your teams or cooperated much, but I have already told you why. I dont agree the way the alliance plays. Thats all.

Anyway, you have made your choice, and I respect it. I am not the one that is muddying the friendship, it is infact you that is pushing it, because even if I dont actively play in your teams, I never ruin an era for you, I never join the enemy or attack an ally. I help as much as I can, but because I dont quite agree with alliance principles and tactics, and because I dont quite like fantasy maps in general, I stay away from playing seriously.

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 Post subject: Re: ARM vs. RUN
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:29 am 
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My only problem was with Brian and Robb not respecting my words and instead choosing sides, which is not right imo.


So when Andrei and Guarav broke our agreement being round long allies you're trying to tell us that the main RUN alliance didn't choose a side? Allan just stop eating your own words. Looks like you've lost your credibility in this thread as soon as you started freaking out with the censors. Have a good day. :)

As for the haters trying to criticize RMO. What is the purpose of joining an era if you've no intention of playing? You start an alliance to win or help friends win so what's the purpose of sitting around building up units if you don't put them to use. Fortunately there's only 4 weeks left of the era then I can finally sleep a full 5 hours.

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 Post subject: Re: ARM vs. RUN
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So when Andrei and Guarav broke our agreement being round long allies you're trying to tell us that the main RUN alliance didn't choose a side? Allan just stop eating your own words. Looks like you've lost your credibility in this thread as soon as you started freaking out with the censors. Have a good day.


Stop saying I have lost credibility, when you dont even know what you are talking about, or you dont understand what I am talking about. Uninformed comments only make you lose credibility. We (RUN and ARM) have only an ingame relationship. It wasn't the case with RMO. I think if you cared to read back on my posts, you will understand that. If RMO wanted to break an NAP, I wouldnt be so pissed off with them, Id fight them. But that wasnt the case. They started attacking KoH despite getting an email from me, not to attack KoH, a few weeks back when Colibrie actually launched against Morgan. I thought it was sorted. So if someone is gonna pull technicalities on me and tell me, that we didnt attack RUN only KoH then you must be kidding me. Attacking KoH is directly ruining RUN's chances. Period.

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As for the haters trying to criticize RMO. What is the purpose of joining an era if you've no intention of playing? You start an alliance to win or help friends win so what's the purpose of sitting around building up units if you don't put them to use. Fortunately there's only 4 weeks left of the era then I can finally sleep a full 5 hours


We are not haters. RMO is free to do what they wanna do. I am only commenting on Brian and Robb that I know personally, cuz I wouldn't have ever gone against them in any era on any server, or attacked any of their allies and ruined their game.

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 Post subject: Re: ARM vs. RUN
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All this talk about playing the game the way it is suppose to be played, that's a load of horse *CENSORED*. There is no one way to play this game, each player plays the game to the way they see fit. Just because it doesn't fit the local consensus on 'what is right' and 'what is wrong' doesn't mean it isn't how the game should be played. If you can do it in the game, then it was meant to happen. Which means that it is apart of the game as a whole. So, attacking someone when their army is gone is a valid strategy. As for ruining an era, for those that spend money on this, that is the chance you take for putting your own cash into a game like this one. It isn't like other games where you can buy items, equipment and what not and keep them on your character. This is a game where you buy boosts of supplies in order to spur your economy. Meaning that once you use them, they are gone, and you have to work harder as a player to make sure that money doesn't go to waste. That is the chance you take for putting money into this game.

Yes, I asked them to jump in. Looking back, I did ask them to attack KoH. I also asked for assistance with RAR and ZeN as well. I am not a person that acts like I can take on the world, when I know I can't rise to a certain challenge I will seek help. Which is what I did. And in the respect of people interfering, KoH could have stayed home and just let RUN and ARM with their respective subs duke it out. PoZ got involved by going to Antarctica because KoH started pushing there, followed by RAR and ZeN. PHI only slammed into KoH because KoH moved to asia and started fighting ARM. When they could have sat back and waited for the fight to end with either RUN or ARM ending up as the victor.

As for that era on Fantasy, Allen, and the way Robb and Brian plays in general: If the friendship itself meant enough to you, the way they play wouldn't matter. Do I disagree with some of the decisions Robb and Brian make? I have in the past, but I supported them in their alliance. I have also supported them in future endeavours and am currently doing so. Because the people are more important to me than what they decide to do in a video game. And since I have had PoZ jump into the war, which resulted in me calling upon RMO to help, people have jumped at me with saying "I'm so disappointed in you" and other things of that nature. Personally, I don't let a game ruin a friendship. A good example is POLSKA, current leader of ZE on E1. I have fought him many times and have received him as an enemy on various worlds, but me and him are friends. The fighting, it seems, developed that friendship. Even if I fight friends, I would like to think that we could still be friends and respect each other as such. Whether it be as allies or enemies, no matter the actions. If RMO attacked PoZ, or their group did, I'd be saddened perhaps but at the end of the era they would still be my friends. And later on, I would laugh about it with them. "Hey, remember when you steam rolled my alliance? Funny as hell."

I have thrown money into this game and have had it blow up at me. I don't really mind. Just stop taking the *CENSORED* so personal. Hell, If I ever had to square off against Tigran in a match, I would do so proudly and hope we would still be friends afterwards. The concept of friendly competition seems to be lost on the vast majority of players on BD. After winning a round with Robb and Brian in UGTB I have decided to never play for the win again. Because it does this to people, makes them insane and stupid. Which is what most are being in regards to the current situation on E1.

So bring it guys, now that I have said my piece, bring the hate. You know you're going too. :)

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