What he said we have had 4 of our members including the leader go inactive the last 24 ticks and now 30-06 is paying the price. I was really enjoying playing cat and mouse with RUN. Especially when 9 of our members were being very active. Now because of our leader and the rest not giving a crap about the team, the rest of us are toast.

Sorry to hear, figured as much when I was able to kill 11-12 Kendraco's squads without having to spy or trap.

But even with 5 of your guys, the fight isn't over if you can play your cards right. Though I'm sure none in RUN will let up either.

Good Luck
-Gaurav

In response to this, you can't say that ARM had to develop subs because of others. ARM has always been one to use subs, from the beginning. Its been their style of play. I can tell you that RUN decided on having 1 sub to begin with and it was full of players that just couldn't fit in RUN but were all friends. We expanded our use of subs when it became apparent ZEN and ARM were both going to have multiple subs. I know that even ARM subs are full of friends of Vahe and former ARM main members. Its how this game is, with the cap limit of 10 in alliances subs have to be formed when players want to play together. This isn't some massive change that has happened over the past few months, its been like this from the beginning. E1A1 OC had TK...from the beginning BD has had friends play together and then to touch on Allen's point, newbs join subs to keep themselves from being conquered and to actually have fun.

Regarding Vahe's post; You say that your allies have been turned against you etc...I think you are really short changing your subs man. It was your subs, not 3006, UB, etc that won this war for you. ARMT, ARMD, ARMl all of them led to this ARM victory so saying that you needed to resort to what I consider dirty tactics because of allies turning on you is moot. RUN attacking 3006 had nothing to do with your ZEN vs ARM war. It was based on RUN wanting to gain a relic, 3006 just like AnM had been given the same choice. Hand us the relic or face war...AnM decided to give us their relic and so the war ended. 3006 refused and the war continues. We have had era long naps with both ZEN and ARM I believe. We have respected both ZEN and ARM subs, but we weren't going to not attack an alliance just because they were allied with you. Either mark them a sub or if they want to be independent in the cases of AnM and 3006 then they must fight.

You must have got one of the other guys squads. Mine are still intact. Its been Pano and Aquarious that lost a ton because neither had been on for over 20 ticks. One was 39 ticks inactive. Those two lost over 50 squads last night. 3 of us were on from when the attack started to when it landed and their was nothing we could do but watch. It sucked.

Also on the sub topic. Valerick, Aardy and I at the start didn't want any subs. I hadn't played the last 2 or 3 eras in Earth1. Last time I played I was Frozen Tundra and ended the round in WIC. So when ever that era was. So we decided to play it old school. We have a sister alliance in BAR. But no subs. Now I see where subs are essential to the game in the way it has evolved. When ZEN declared war on us we spent 2 weeks fighting 3 of her subs and never really had any battles with the main branch. That was really strange to me just fighting a bunch of subs. RUN alliance has been very effective with her subs. Her subs marched right through Greenland while the main branch came from Africa into South America and up. Where ZEN used her subs as fodder, RUN has used her subs as a team. They have kinda been a hammer and a anvil. I have learned a lot and can't wait for another era to start so I can try some tactics using subs. I'm not saying this one is over, but it is too far along to start trying to build subs.

Also on the sub topic. Valerick, Aardy and I at the start didn't want any subs. I hadn't played the last 2 or 3 eras in Earth1. Last time I played I was Frozen Tundra and ended the round in WIC. So when ever that era was. So we decided to play it old school. We have a sister alliance in BAR. But no subs. Now I see where subs are essential to the game in the way it has evolved. When ZEN declared war on us we spent 2 weeks fighting 3 of her subs and never really had any battles with the main branch. That was really strange to me just fighting a bunch of subs. RUN alliance has been very effective with her subs. Her subs marched right through Greenland while the main branch came from Africa into South America and up. Where ZEN used her subs as fodder, RUN has used her subs as a team. They have kinda been a hammer and a anvil. I have learned a lot and can't wait for another era to start so I can try some tactics using subs. I'm not saying this one is over, but it is too far along to start trying to build subs.

As for that comment of an admin has been found cheating, I will never agree to that. I didn't cheat, and even after repeatedly asking Andrew has shown 0 proof to me. I believe his literal words were that he didn't actually save any of the proof.

And for the subs.. However sad I find it, it seems the only way to do good nowadays is by using subs. You can say that you need a good, experienced, active team etc, but if you have 5 subs that are all advancing towards you with about half your units or even more each, the subs don't need perfect coordination. They don't even need to be that good players. On E1 there have been a lot of mass boosts, everyone can theoretically get a huge army using it.

I'm one that's very much into exp, but even if you do perfect 1 rounders the entire time the exp won't keep you alive long enough. You simply won't have enough time/workers to keep replacing the armor you lose (and that is considering the best case scenario that you are able to pick off the sub members 1 by 1).

The sad truth is simply that you simply need quite some subs, or a lot of reliable allies.

Sorry it was Valerik not you. Confused you two when I was typing up the message.

TK was the start. It had nothing to do with a bunch of friends avoiding the cap alliance because they are incapable of competing by themselves. It was and idea then, a very successful one. I played that round. Matter of fact I heard from him a month or so ago, coming back with sniper. Not sure if it ever happened. Subsequently, subs were highly frowned upon because the community saw the implications.

To me this has nothing to do with ARM, Zen, RUN or anyone else. Its about winning. My only intention. If I wanted some pawns to be meat-shields. I'd play chess. I'm not going to get a bunch of my friends to be a pawn for me. SO i can say that I"m the best. In reality the only thing I'm the best at is recruiting pawns. No need to explain your particular appalling use of subs, I already explained why it's being done. Because a single alliance can not do it on their own(period) Truly, I just want my friends to play like I do. TO win. Then, when all is said and done, we see who put the most effort, was the most active and played the best strategy. SO i can say game well played.

3006 for example, has no subs being taken advantage of an alliance with multiple subs. You can not compete that way. You can say it was head up, but they only way they were able to get to NA and not have to leave a substantial part of their army home to defend or keep infrastructure was the multitude of subs.

I learned this the hard way fighting ARM, 4 or so rounds ago.
No matter how many battles we won, units we obliterated or relics we took from them. There was only one outcome. Out of all the rounds I have won, it was by far the best round I have ever played. Because those guys played their best, gave their all and we didn't use our friends as pawns...including the round round that I led WiC and won right after it. But whats fair about putting that much time, effort and commitment to a game to get beat by people who are not as good. Why is there an alliance cap limit anyway?

Now you want to say a particular tactic is worse than others. It's only because it's goes against your "hidden" purpose. I got conquered when I was a noob and it was fun. But the solution was to join or form and alliance. Not be your pawn. Even your last response continues with the same BD ethics. "If they became your sub we wouldn't touch them" Stop being a proponent for subs and an opponent of alliance backstabbing. Both principles are the same your contradicting yourself.

Much respect for 3006 and a lot less for an alliance that can't or won't try to compete without subs. And even less for an alliance throwing rocks when they live in a glass house.

That being said I love all my friends from BD. you are all great players and it's been a pleasure to have played with or against ya.

In earth4 I stopped playing when BUL had 7 or 8 subs two eras in a row and basically won it all both times. That was back in 07 or 08 I believe. If you are not willing to play using subs then Battle Dawn is not the game to play. It is still better than it was in the very first beta round when GLA won and their were no alliance member size limits. 2/3 of that beta earth was GLA.