Unfortunately this is as much as "not the golden way to go" as the overall rules are, if not more.

It is very easy to make a scripted video going on bout how we are both playing. What about an hour from then? You gonna ask for a new video every 12 hours or something. Maybe every 3 hours? Sadly even that wouldn't be enough even with a live video chat. Alot of people have their skypes on "busy" at all times so they could ignore it claiming to have been afk getting some water or something only to be waking the other person up, slap on some water and they are both wide awake for the short duration of the call.

My point is that simply because they are willing to "prove" they aren't cheating doesn't mean the way they are saying they'll do so will prove anything. as I stated before, I've personally driven 16-wheeler trucks through your "airtight" net to catch cheaters. Now I'm not trying to be unreasonable and ask you to make it actually airtight but perhaps try and do something bout the oh so many exploitable blind spots and loopholes. Simply saying "there is no golden way to do this" doesn't mean u can't try for silver or bronze and doesn't excuse or alleviate the frustration of the cheated players.

Milan from powerful I meant a known & strong personality
It obvious tat ppl will believe u more compared to me as ur known & have been here for long time

& abt siblings , were there is a will there is a way
this aplies for both sides positive & negative
if the cheater wants to cheât he will anyhow cheât & if a player wants to win he will win without complaining & adapting himself in the environment

The ones who don't cheat shouldn't have to 'adapt'. Correct me if I'm wrong but is that not the entire point of the rules?

No Joe did not threaten me personally, but threatening my friend Niko I take it personal.

As for brothers in question http://prntscr.com/3nnezn I want to know how I trolled his brother when at the time of this message I had not attacked or Jammed his brother ,.,,,, pretty obvious to me they share for the only way I could have trolled his brother would have been when it was his shift on the only account I was fighting.

yes, that is mistake that cheaters usualy do, sending you msg from wrong account.
that account is Mothaps, and words in that msg are obviously send by his brother Strategy , and you were atacking only his brother.
but no use to report souch msgs to Joe as hint of their scam, cause Joe only look for forensic evidence , gun powder on hands, blood on carpet, fingerprints on keyboard, money trace on bank account...
and Joe comes online after 15 hours after your reports ( around 50 ticks later) , so Joe is always LATE to check anything.
i reported one msg to Joe , he read it after almost a day, and probbaly didnt understand what i am talking about .
http://prntscr.com/3o6x7w this is msg where Mothap said his borther was sleeping, while i was FIGHTING his brothers many atacks for many hours before that , and he said that his borther "just woke up"!!! so who was moving his sqwads every 19 min whole day before that , if his brother was sleeping???
Joe didnt find anything strange in it, ofcourse.
he still accusing me that i am "dictator who dont want to let poor brothers to play together game they love - only becouse they are more active then me "
problem is : they dont play, they cheat. if someone could be banned for few ops ( farming) , for entering someones else account once ( to move his army away from atack) , then i dont know how BD let this open window for cheaters to play in same house , on 2 computers , on 2 accounts in same world, when it is easy to only 1 of them can move both accounts, while another one is working, sleeping, watching NBA, doing no2 in toilet, eating, having sex with oposite or same gender, having gender change operation, or whatever every normal American do - i have no problems with anything, just dont let them so easy to cheat in BD, that is all i want .
and there are many proofs and hints they are doing it.
"we are not cheating, "scouts honor " - that is only what admins want as proof from them. ah, yes, ofcourse, and ilonas "blinking lights" , and "ready to give video, if needed, maybe , once in future, somewhere in distance , just behind rainbow..."

OR - you all think that this 2 brothers doesnt sleep, doesnt work ( and we know they does) , doesnt move away from computers ( BOTH ) for 10 days?
what BD comunity think- siblings switch shifts , move for each other, OR they play fair? this is matter of IQ .

bre do u have screenshots of those convo with Joe?
We will pile up all screenshots against Joe & open a new thread .
& the guy with his mobile number as username can u plz give me Skype of Niko?

if you are red booster you can have as much account you whant spend in all but guys all you have to do is spam them make them spend more and more and have fun they are spend we are having fun

Alright, so there is a system to keep track, with blinking colors. I do not entirely see how this is relevant. Someone that has never cheated before can use this way to cheat with a sibling, since it’s a 100% safe way to cheat. Someone that always makes farms could actually be legitimately playing with a sibling. Which again brings us to the core, there is just no way to tell. And the proof is very flimsy at best, I’m sure I can get my sister to pose in front of her PC playing BD once.



No dispute on #1. We do agree to give up personal information to increase the abilities admins have to track players, which I completely applaud. And you are using the slippery slope argument here, no one is saying to disallow people joining from the same IP, what we are saying is that it makes no sense to allow players that are consistently on the same IP to play together as there is, with all admin tools available, no way to differentiate between two siblings playing like this or 1 person that planted a multi. Of course people should be able to log in from different IPs sometimes, and as most are well aware you can track IPs quite well. So in my example if you saw me logging in from my IP which indicates Eindhoven, the place I live, and then suddenly an hour later I log in from Los Angeles, obviously something is wrong and admins need to act. But if you see me logging in from Eindhoven and then from a train somewhere in the Netherlands, that makes sense. No need to block out logging in from the same IP where someone else has logged in before that, and again that is not what anyone is arguing.




Well look, if you are angry at your sister and you want to mess her BD up, there are many ways on BD that you can use. And I would say this is one of the least creative ways (though I do think you are very creative for coming up with this reason ). Usually siblings work together a lot better than that, which is also why it’s so tempting to ask someone you can completely trust to log in to your account sometimes. Since this is a game with many players, we have to go for the bigger numbers, and I’d say the number of cases in which
A. A sibling knows that her sister plays
B. Knows the rules that are in place about not placing on the same world
C. Actually goes through the trouble of creating an account on BD
Are much less prevalent than the number of cases in which you would simply ask your brother or sister to do a launch or turn for you. Or are you saying that despite the family being the cornerstone of most societies, families are always fighting each other instead of working together for the common good?



If, when. IF Battledawn becomes so big that there are really that many people playing, this could pose a problem. Seeing the future in a realistic way though, this is just not going to happen in the near future, no matter how much I would love to see it that way. Again, this is a different occurrence than siblings playing. Siblings have the same home IP they keep logging in from, friends will normally log in from different IPs and sometimes have overlapping IPs, instead of constantly overlapping IPs.



Really? The point isn’t even that you need to poke someone, it is that you can LOG IN for that someone without anyone knowing. It’s not the equivalent of calling someone, it’s the equivalent of account sharing. Right, I play a round with Korupt. I need to call him if I need him. I call, he comes online or doesn’t. If he doesn’t come online, I’m screwed. Just no way for me to get him.

Now let’s say Korupt is my brother. Instead of calling to wake him, I see his PC is still on. Or actually, let’s say his PC is turned off. I simply turn it on, log into his account, and send the account or dodge the units. No need to wake anyone, and no way you will ever see that I cheated.



Yeah, point I was trying to make in the last quote pretty much. I agree, there is just no way to see whether it is the person himself turning the units. Aside from the fact that I would have a lot of trouble explaining to my mother how to turn my units, I can see how it could be done although it’d be a big hassle. The problem with siblings is that you know not just that there is the possibility that they can call home and have someone move the units, it’s that they can play on 2 accounts without anyone knowing.

See, I hate to do this, but I just have to give an example. Fictional example of course. CE is almost starting. I would like to win, and I will use any advantage I can find to win the round. So before the round starts, I tell my sister hey, there’s this cool game. My sister is a real gamer, she really gets into the game! She is extremely good, actually she’s precisely on par with me. She has crazy activity, and goes for all the Ops and conquers.

Of course it’s really me playing for her, but who’s going to know? She posed for a picture, and anytime you doubt too much she’s perfectly fine with posing in front of the camera and going hey yeah, this game is awesome! It’s just so tempting, I can see why people would do it. We make it too easy to cheat this way. Having 2 accounts instead of one is such a huge advantage, and no way you can just jam the 2 of them to get it over with. It’s not just about trying to catch them offline and kill them, and even if you tried to do that, you can keep me jammed 24/7 and I won’t lose my units. You have played Ilona, you know that jamming wouldn’t help at all.

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I’m not known for my short posts anyway, so I don’t feel as bad But those 2 brothers might be totally legit, playing completely separately and never logging into each other’s account. I’m not arguing for their specific case, I don’t have the full info so I simply can’t say. What I do know however is that this system is in no way preventing cheating, rather it is encouraging it. I sincerely hope no one uses this during the CE, but I would not be surprised and couldn’t really blame people if during the CE they “play together with their sibling”. The rewards are too big and the chance to be caught is as we speak literally 0%.

blablablablabla..... if ppl want to cheat.. they will find their ways...

if it indicates that two would want to play at the same world..same ip, same everything i dont see the issue.. unless end of era... one decided to give and or hand over everything to the other since Player A has more chance of getting Rank 1, 2 or 3 to get the blues, then that is something that admin should look into...

is it one's fault when big brother plays BD... and his/her lil siblings or the entire family clans saw and find interest of playing BD too????

end of the day, BD is "free game" thats why they have boosters the "Donators" funding them...

with today's technology,

you can set alarms:
- mobile phones
- clocks
- watch
- your brother to remind you, your family or friends...bla bla bla...
- your wife would certainly pretend she forgot about it..

you can call them:
- mobile phones, telephone, public phones, borrow someone's phone, order pizza so your doorbell goes ringing, and you'll be ohhh...time to move my squads at BD... etc..
- androids or computer via free call... name it all its there..

you can msg them:
- mobile phones
- android apps
- computer/notebook softwares blablabla

or to appoint remote their computers:
- teamviewer
- hideip
- and many more ways..

if one or more wants to cheat.. they find their ways.. simple as it is...

just putting in my two cents of words

*Bow*