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 Post subject: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:55 pm 
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The purpose of this post is to inform the community about a significant incident, and not let it be burried in order to protect heavy boosters.

Below you see solid proof of a bug:
Please check the timer, the tick of the server and the tick in which the spy attack has taken place.

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The spy attack is the ONLY action that can go through a tick to another without reloading, when it mustn't!!!

More elaborately, when you have an agent on an OP, either yours (the OP) or anyone else's, within or out of your allaince and someone is attacking at eta 1 at lets say tick 100, you can do the following: you can wait until 00:00 and THEN hit the spy attack. This way, you will not be requested to reload, and will still have a spy attack achieved at tick 101. The result is that tyhe enemy that is attacking the OP will be spy attacked, without having the chance to put on Spy Protection, since he has to reload and you don't.
Also it is important to note, that the option to raise Spy Protection is unlocked ONLY for OP that one's alliance is owning, so in order to raise SP and avoid this when attacking a third party OP you definitile need to reload in order for it to appear as friendly. Thus the SP cannot be countered anyhow.
To the bottom line, you can spy attack at current tick without reloading from previous tick.
That is clearly a huge bug, since EVERY ACTION IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACED IN THE TICK IT WAS CLICKED.

That is the bug. I invite you all to test it yourselves and check it on your own.

VND have been caught to abuse this bug, planning whole attacks based on the use of this bug, at least twice on GML, and who else knows on whom else.

This is how they killed some of our army, and this is how they want to win this era.

One of the admins has been fully informed about and has asked until Monday to reach the developers of the game.

WE EXPECT:

1)The BAN of the people that deliberately abused this bug themselves for both cases GML will report, and also for everyone else that will report the same event.

2)Full compensation for the army we lost due to this bug in a battle we would have otherwise won, or would never take place.

We are looking forward to a fair and just call from the admins, in order not to have this championsip die to a bug before it even starts

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 Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:59 pm 
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YES low down Attitude
PLUS there is a BAD worm circulating in skpe also must be from the same source.
It is a real shame that guys go so low down.
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 Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:01 pm 
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YES low down Attitude
PLUS there is a BAD worm circulating in skpe also must be from the same source.
It is a real shame that guys go so low down.
DB

The worm in skype is skypes issue not ours. But on another note the players shouldn't be banned for the bug, it is something the admins and maintenance team should work together to fix as quickly as possible. Maybe even pause the ticks until its fixed. This bug seems to be very harmful to the game

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 Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:04 pm 
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Hypolaw wrote:
The purpose of this post is to inform the community about a significant incident, and not let it be burried in order to protect heavy boosters.

Below you see solid proof of a bug:
Please check the timer, the tick of the server and the tick in which the spy attack has taken place.

Image

The spy attack is the ONLY action that can go through a tick to another without reloading, when it mustn't!!!

More elaborately, when you have an agent on an OP, either yours (the OP) or anyone else's, within or out of your allaince and someone is attacking at eta 1 at lets say tick 100, you can do the following: you can wait until 00:00 and THEN hit the spy attack. This way, you will not be requested to reload, and will still have a spy attack achieved at tick 101. The result is that tyhe enemy that is attacking the OP will be spy attacked, without having the chance to put on Spy Protection, since he has to reload and you don't.
Also it is important to note, that the option to raise Spy Protection is unlocked ONLY for OP that one's alliance is owning, so in order to raise SP and avoid this when attacking a third party OP you definitile need to reload in order for it to appear as friendly. Thus the SP cannot be countered anyhow.
To the bottom line, you can spy attack at current tick without reloading from previous tick.
That is clearly a huge bug, since EVERY ACTION IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACED IN THE TICK IT WAS CLICKED.

That is the bug. I invite you all to test it yourselves and check it on your own.

VND have been caught to abuse this bug, planning whole attacks based on the use of this bug, at least twice on GML, and who else knows on whom else.

This is how they killed some of our army, and this is how they want to win this era.

One of the admins has been fully informed about and has asked until Monday to reach the developers of the game.

WE EXPECT:

1)The BAN of the abusers themselves for both cases GML will report and also for everyone else that will report the same event.

2)Full compensation for the army we lost due to this bug in a battle we would have otherwise won, or would never take place.

We are looking forward to a fair and just call from the admins, in order not to have this championsip die to a bug before it even starts




With all due respect, while I understand your position, abusing bugs like this has always been a main thing about the game in my opinion. From locking down your own outposts to the now fixed method of putting a shield on one.

I think when it comes to battle dawn, when it comes to exploits, except when they are game breaking they should be considered tricks. Clever use of game mechanics, really. Puts some more power into the defense side of the game, I would personally say, spread it and consider it a feature unless Micheal decides to fix it.


Just my two cents. Again, I understand how much this blows on your side, but it's things like this that add some complication to the game. Plus, once the bug goes viral, banning every single person who will be doing it will be a monumental task and it will be fairly hard to proof someone is abusing it.


For example, how can the admins be sure you didn't simply refrain from reloading?

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 Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:10 pm 
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I don't think it's just VND that uses this tactic. I believe that IND and other alliances associated with VND are using it. It should be fixed before it becomes a widely used method of attack althrough BD.


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 Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:15 pm 
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This bug has been around far too long - please fix it so we can move on to normal battles.

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 Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:16 pm 
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I never considered this a bug, it's just how the game works. I dont even think it should be fixed cause that would make the game less interesting. If GML didnt know about this, i'm not surprised you're losing :P

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 Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:25 pm 
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I never considered this a bug, it's just how the game works. I dont even think it should be fixed cause that would make the game less interesting. If GML didnt know about this, i'm not surprised you're losing :P


That's a really harsh way to look at it. They've been out of the game for a year and are adjusting to the updates, but you should naturally assume the game works in the way most logical.

This specific bug isn't one you can normally fix because it deals with how a tick processes. The more you understand about the order a tick processes, the more likely you are able to do things like this, and even escape lockdowns.

Is it a bug..? By all means, if the game works in a different way than it 'should' work. (IE: Being able to do actions during the tick process in order to 'break the game') Then it is a bug. It depends on how the admins want to work it.

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 Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:26 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: This is how this CHAMPIONSHIP will be won - BUG ABUSE
PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:28 pm 
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This a prove about useing a Bug then the right thing must be done .

This about the game integrity , So no one ever think about cheats and he can get away with it because he is boosting or doing any other stuff make hem think he can get away with it without deterrent punishment.

And i guess that bug used last year too .


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