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 Post subject: Farming
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:19 pm 
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"2.2.1 Farming: Participate in any activity within Services for the sole purpose of gaining Game Resources, without participating in actual gameplay; and/or acquiring Game Resources in order to sell them to other Users in exchange for cash, payment or other benefits; establishing Users for the sole purpose of transferring Game Resources to Your other accounts. You shall not solicit or endorse any 3rd party to participate in Services in order to convey Game Resources to You."
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"What things can get me banned?

Several things can get you banned. These include:

having more than one colony on the same server (multying)
getting friends to make colonies near you and conquering them (farming)
swearing or being racist in game
abusing a player "
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Rules on farming seam vague to me.
Last thing I want to do is break any rules , especially unknowingly.
I do not see why I can not choose who my conquer is. If I request someone conquer me is that a form of farming?
What about the giving away of crystals?
At what point does it become game abuse?
I know giving away op`s is cheating so i`m not going to mention that. But what about using them as currency as part of a bigger agreement?
I build you 4 op`s you no longer attack us ext.
As long as its not a one sided deal it should be legit.


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 Post subject: Re: Farming
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:53 pm 
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Making outposts for other players to take is a bad idea typically, especially doing it more than just once or if you joined specifically to do this for someone else. Whenever in doubt, it is ALWAYS best to message the admin about it before going off & doing it as a gamble.

Much of the same applies with conquer farming. Joining a server to be a free easy conquer for your buddy can land you both in the red. Again, ask your admin before doing anything wonky. It is always better safe than sorry! ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Farming
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:47 pm 
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You seam to have answered my question with out really defining any set perimeters. If a rule is at admins discretion then its a optional rule decided by the admin and not clear to the general gaming public.

For one of my styles of play I like to be conquered. That way my colony is not a target to be defended, and I can focus my activity else where. I do not join the server for anyone in particular to do this but choose a friendly that is near by.

This game is all about community. And at times I like to play for my friends.If its not multieing,account sharing, or op farming I do not see where it would be a violation to the game.Were do you draw the line?Admin discretion?That leaves to much potential for admins to abuse the game.There are admins I do not like or trust.But that is not the point of this thread.The point IS there should be well defined rules,and not something loosely based on someones discretion.

So say I join a world and let someone serious about the age conquer me. I can then drop protection and focus on my structures with out worry about an army.I log in as normal to build my buildings and do scans and jams for others.Gives me something to do while I wait to build up.And again if not for community or serious play whats the point of playing at all?
So now I finish my buildings and work on army and expanding my control on the map.
At this time should I be released? I am still not in a position to compete.And removing my colony from being a profitable target I can defend my op`s better.
Now people will attack me. And I will attack those not friendly with me.What if I gain crystals? I don`t want them . I don`t want my colony to be a target. I am not playing to win , I am here just to have fun.So can I not give away my crystals? Or would that be cheating? What if I have no army to defend them? Whats the point of having 30+ crystals and less than 50 power? Its not like I can defend them from any real attack , so why not choose where they go?
I see no abuse of the game rules here but again I would like it clearly defined so at no point to I break any rules.

So what is and what is not considered cheating?


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 Post subject: Re: Farming
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:56 am 
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game is pure fake. fixed so that red boosters dont get banned for obvious cheating, farming ( only get warning ) . if there is 10 colonys around red booster ( his friends ) making armors, and he increase experiance of his units , killing them for range 4 and range 5 , he will not be banned , becouse Admin will be "blind " for this cheating.
but if player who fight against red booster conquer one ( only 1 ) colony to protect friend to be conquerd by BIG RED BOOSTER, then admin come to action, and bann players . BIG RED BOOSTERS dont need this help, they will win anyway, so this form of help from BD admins is realy low , and not neccesery, but it is probably way to show respect to money that BIG RED BOOSTER spend in game.
shameful.
i was no1 in 3 eras, but i will quit now BD becouse i see where this game goes.


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 Post subject: Re: Farming
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:40 am 
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I need to be on the forums more often.... guess most would know me better here..

I think you looking at the idea of farming in the wrong direction... You precieve that it could be abused but farming is ever evolving machine that people find and abuse. Therefor since it evolves so must the admins and how we react when we find situations that fall in guidelines of farming but same time skirt around them.

First please be aware that when such things happen majority of the time the admin addresses the rest of the admins of the situation so every admin can weigh in on the new situation and be on teh same page. For it can then seem a admin is abusing the farm rule if not every admin follows the same rule.

A new issue arrived that daily people where abusing subs by having them as crystal/power/conquer/exp banks to help boost the main alliance score. So the admins as a group decision place restrictions and abusing subs in above fashion fell within sub farming area. This is a new rule as well and will evolve and change and there will be millions of what if. We never said the admin job is easy. We want the community to be happy on both sides of the stick. Winning the round should never be about who had more subs then the other player and could benifit the best from them by taking all there stuff.

So this might not answer all your questions on wanting detail to the point farming rule because there cant be one. Because as they world and community evolve so must battledawn. Sometimes we will make you happy sometimes we wont but you can believe we strive to make this game the best we can for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Farming
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:40 am 
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farming is not easy to define, take OP farm for example

it's well known that OP farm is someone (guy A) who build tons of OPs for someone else (guy B) to take

but wat if some random guy C, unconnected to A, saw the OP farm and decide to take it himself?

wat if guy B is innocent and guy A just want guy B to get banned?

wat if guy A is not OP farming, but just trying to relocate, and build tons of OPs hoping that at least one of them survive for 24 ticks?

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 Post subject: Re: Farming
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:40 pm 
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Ultimately, I as an admin, strive to avoid banning where possible. I figure that if no one has been harmed, and the one whom has somehow offended understands what to do next time, then we are all well at that point, and no harm no foul.

Hopefully, I can avoid a ban in the process of getting this done. Sometimes, in order to prevent harm to other players through cheating, it is necessary to ban first and make sure everyone is on the same page after, and in an ideal situation, release anyone who has been banned.

I try to keep things as straight forward as possible as an admin, but yes, sometimes players try to dabble in grey area. You would be amazed at how often this has occured since forever and likely will continue. Our community can be resourceful and intelligent, and often put our wits and patience to the test.

This is precisely why I will most often try to avoid ruining the game for anyone where I can. Its not easy, and is often thankless since no matter how you approach it, somene is usually demanding action, and on the other hand, someone is usually vehemently denying any wrong doing and accusing you of being biased to their enemies and corrupt. :lol:

On a good day, we can all part ways content that we wont encounter eachother in the same way again, having undergone minimal interruption.

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 Post subject: Re: Farming
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:11 pm 
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doing once and twice is fine.. But calling all your frnds to do this is annoying, admin joe i have msged you a incident on g2 , lets see what you can come up with.

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 Post subject: Re: Farming
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:01 pm 
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i was conquered tick 207. After the rank one alliance was attacking the main with in 3 ticks of me. I asked to be conquered to spare my crystal falling to the enemy.Not to just give resources to my friend , but to prevent helping the enemy. But for this I get banned.

now as joe said in other communications i do have a history, as he did catch me using multies. I think that offense would be much more serious but it seamed to only get me a warring.But then that was right after an era i boosted 3k red tokens a week.

and as for my activity on G2 I have no idea what your talking about

i am done with this game , getting banned over something that should not be a rule violation and getting a warring for a serious offense, There is no balance.

i started using multies after realizing how often they are used with no bans issued.I have been playing this game over 2 years now. I have a good feel for the game and can tell a cheater.
once upon a time i would have reported my alliance mates for cheating,but with so many getting away with it even after i try report them i decided to try , and did a multiple eras with no bans , with out being caught.And I did not use a ip mask like alot of you present top players use. And I know they do because they tell me.

Bottom line

I don`t care BD can rot. I will not play again.I would not care if you offered me 10k tokens and kissed my feet begging.

Not that you would care about me anyway , i am only one player , but BD is the best multie player strategy I have played , but cheaters are in abundance and it gives the strong feeling of being biased to its supporter base.


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 Post subject: Re: Farming
PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:04 am 
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i was conquered tick 207. After the rank one alliance was attacking the main with in 3 ticks of me. I asked to be conquered to spare my crystal falling to the enemy.Not to just give resources to my friend , but to prevent helping the enemy. But for this I get banned.

now as joe said in other communications i do have a history, as he did catch me using multies. I think that offense would be much more serious but it seamed to only get me a warring.But then that was right after an era i boosted 3k red tokens a week.

and as for my activity on G2 I have no idea what your talking about

i am done with this game , getting banned over something that should not be a rule violation and getting a warring for a serious offense, There is no balance.

i started using multies after realizing how often they are used with no bans issued.I have been playing this game over 2 years now. I have a good feel for the game and can tell a cheater.
once upon a time i would have reported my alliance mates for cheating,but with so many getting away with it even after i try report them i decided to try , and did a multiple eras with no bans , with out being caught.And I did not use a ip mask like alot of you present top players use. And I know they do because they tell me.

Bottom line

I don`t care BD can rot. I will not play again.I would not care if you offered me 10k tokens and kissed my feet begging.

Not that you would care about me anyway , i am only one player , but BD is the best multie player strategy I have played , but cheaters are in abundance and it gives the strong feeling of being biased to its supporter base.


Battledawn is in no way biased towards the paying part of the playerbase, as when my brother was multi accounting on the same IP as me, I got banned too, showing that the admins are in no way biased what so ever.


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