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 Post subject: Help us please! Balance of items
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:39 pm 
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Hi Pilots!

We noticed that some of the items are not that good balanced at this moment.
And who could do it better than you, the players!
So this thread is ONLY for your suggestions: Please don't spam it, please stay reasonable and add only the stats here.

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Liranium level 30 currently 40-56 damage should have 45 - 61


(I know, its tempting to make your own favorite weapons OP..... just don't do it 8-))

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 Post subject: Re: Help us please! Balance of items
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:35 pm 
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I noticed there is no electrical top weapon on the market for level 30. Maybe it could help ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Help us please! Balance of items
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:06 pm 
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I think I have some:
-level 17 resistance kits are better than the level 19

-the level 19 multiresistance kit is +13 resistance, but the level 18 has just +6

-and the same with the level 23 resistance kit, but the level 30 multi resistance kit has only +12 resistance.

-the level 13 flechette has 49 damage, but the level 16 super flechette has only 48

-level 17 flying machine gun has 26 damage, the level 22 flying machine cannon has only 25.

-The epic level 9 Jim Beam drone better( need only 8 energy) than the level 12 legendary Blueberry(need 20 energy)

-the level 26 torso Hulk is better than the level legendary Dactyl.

-the level 21 Safe shot has almost the same damage than the level 24 sure shot and its better than th level 25 Umpfifier.

-The level 19 Sniper Rifle has 57 damage and the level 25 Anti Material Rifle has almost the same damage(60)

I hope it was helpful.


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 Post subject: Re: Help us please! Balance of items
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:37 am 
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Ilona wrote:
Hi Pilots!

We noticed that some of the items are not that good balanced at this moment.
And who could do it better than you, the players!
So this thread is ONLY for your suggestions: Please don't spam it, please stay reasonable and add only the stats here.

Example:

Liranium level 30 currently 40-56 damage should have 45 - 61


(I know, its tempting to make your own favorite weapons OP..... just don't do it 8-))



I would like to see some 2-4 range w/knockback energy weapons in the upper level ranges. Also maybe a weapon or two that deal 50-65 energy loss... Heat has theirs with the new Infernos dealing 65 heat... wheres the love for the Blues?

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 Post subject: Re: Help us please! Balance of items
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:03 am 
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Dear Ilona, I don't think this will work... My suggestion is to simply make a set of items for each level and increase their power according with a formula. Right now items are way too messed up for players to give correct modding.

For example there are many items that have same damage but they are different levels, obviously I would choose the least expensive one and use the higher level ones to give more power to the fusion.

And some items simply spike from a level to the next, usually levels that give new cockpits are game changers, e.g lvl 17 can hardly beat lvl 18, cuz lvl 18 gets new set of cockpits (excluding noobs ofc)

Suggestion/Example: using math formula, you set attack range of physical weapons for a level. Then set attack range of heat weapons to 60% of physical weapons + the heat. Then set attack range of energy weapons to 80% of physical weapons + energy damage. At the end, you start tweaking items a bit so they don't all look the same. Only then you can start asking players for balancing, right now there's not much to balance, cuz balancing one item will unbalance another one.


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 Post subject: Re: Help us please! Balance of items
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:17 am 
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More level 30 torsos

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 Post subject: Re: Help us please! Balance of items
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:54 am 
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Change the mechanics for shotgun X. The difference from low to high damage it can deal is too great. Just causes games to be won by luck if a user has them

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 Post subject: Re: Help us please! Balance of items
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:00 pm 
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Andy wrote:
Change the mechanics for shotgun X. The difference from low to high damage it can deal is too great. Just causes games to be won by luck if a user has them


I actually disagree. I like the Shotgun X and i have learned not to rely on it to win a match. True that you can win with luck, but in the reverse you can also lose a battle because of it if it hits critically low when you need it. I think more skill is required by a player because of weapons like this as they actually make you consider multiple options in battle.

example: You have one more turn to finish your opponent or you will surly be dead their next round and they have 75ish HP. You are at range 1 and sword has been used, do you use shotgun? No, you stomp and let the drone finish them. [this example comes up with me quite often is why i chose it]

I would actually like to see more weapons similar to this at different ranges. The concept actually gives a sense of "evasion maneuvers" to the Mechs rather then them just standing there and "taking the hits" so to speak.

And speaking of evasion maneuvers, what about adding some sort of evasion or defensive mechanic to the game to balance offence and defense... rather then balancing the weapons so much. This game is much more offensive then defensive and that could be a place to work on the balance of the game as well. I understand that we have defense in terms of kits and resistances as well is shields and energy draining, but i was thinking something along the lines as a defense option to cut damage by a percentage on the next turn at the cost of one off your turns. This game could possibly be considered a Role Playing PvP Genre game, and most Role Playing Games have an option to actually defend for a character on the next turn.

Also, maybe more weapons geared towards defense rather then offense.

Just My Two Cents As Usual... [You Guys Will Be Rich Of My Two Cents If I Keep This Up... lol]

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 Post subject: Re: Help us please! Balance of items
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:27 pm 
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I do see a need of some OP weapons and some weapons with a lower damage even when they are higher (lvl)
My point is that we have some weapons which are really a lot overpowered. And this needs to be fixed.

Also every suggestion is really helpfully for us.
So keep it coming :)

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 Post subject: Re: Help us please! Balance of items
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:32 pm 
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Ilona wrote:
I do see a need of some OP weapons and some weapons with a lower damage even when they are higher (lvl)
My point is that we have some weapons which are really a lot overpowered. And this needs to be fixed.

Also every suggestion is really helpfully for us.
So keep it coming :)


How about making the max BASE damage limit 100 hp for weapons that currently exceed that number.
[not counting negative resistance and fusion bonus... these may still allow it to go over 100.]

Do this for level 30 weapons, and adjust the weapons according to the same ratio as there levels get lower.

ex. level 30 - max 100, level 20 - max 70, level 10 - max 40, level 1 - max 10.
After that adjust all the in-between levels to the same ratio. And then at any time the level cap may get increased, level 40 can be 130, level 50 @ 160, etc...

basically its +30 max base damage for every 10 levels.

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