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Daganev · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:25 am **Posts:** 231

simmen wrote:

look at the underlines

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To simplify matters, Dow picked a defining trait of religion: the desire to proclaim religious information to others, such as a belief in the afterlife. He assumed that this trait was genetic.

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If new research is to be believed, when it comes to fostering religious adults, genetics play a significant role.

this are just things they belive, just as my opinions.

actualy what i said and they said point to what i said.

they belive thats why, they find reasons why their view is right just as those who made religion did, yes it's a part of the human nature as i see it, but not directly the religion part.

??

No, these are not just things they believe, these are RESULTS of experimentation.

The sentence says "IF NEW RESEARCH is to be believed", ... i.e. if you believe in the scientific method, and believe that it creates real results and not just some made up junk, then that is the position to be understood.

These are not just some random opinions. I think you need to learn the difference between opinion and verifiable research results.

The computer programmer assumed the trait was genetic, and lo and behold, the computer model displayed the actual real world findings of history. Meaning, that assumption (i.e. hypothesis) turned out to be valid.

Let's be clear here, the science is not saying that you are genetically prone to believe in Jesus or Buddha. The science is saying that the odds of you believing something which can not be proven empirically, is genetically based.

mrducky · **Posted:** Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:37 pm

Daganev wrote:

Mr, Ducky.

Let me give you an education:

Materialism is not the pursuit of material goods:
Materialism is a philosophy: per wiki:

The philosophy of materialism holds that the only thing that exists is matter, and is considered a form of physicalism. Fundamentally, all things are composed of material and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions; therefore, matter is the only substance. As a theory, materialism belongs to the class of monist ontology. As such, it is different from ontological theories based on dualism or pluralism. For singular explanations of the phenomenal reality, materialism would be in contrast to idealism and to spiritualism.

yeah, i knew this, im punching myself over the fact that i misread and was lazy. i just believe there needs to be evidence other then wild hallucinations which all faiths have.

Secondly, let me teach you the REAL history of Atheism. Since you appear to be so ignorant about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

"In Christian Europe, people were persecuted for heresy, especially in countries where the Inquisition was active."

before the greek philosophers, people merely made comments. during the greeks, atheist positions didnt instantly result in death. but during the wonderful church controlled "dark ages" atheism did result in death.
atheism is still the same, there is no god. christianity ranges from LDS with another gospel to catholics to protestants. and dont say they arent different. look to the irish catholics and irish protestants. such peace jesus brings huh?

If you wanted to make a fun tree about atheism the list of end branches might look like this:

Nihilism, Strong Atheism, Weak Atheism, Pantheism, Agnosticism, Ignostocism, Humanism, Marxism, Scientology, Jediism, Pastafarianism, Brightism, Forteanism, Objectivism, Buddhism (and that's all I can think of off the top of my head)

wow... classifying this list as atheism... its like classifying judaism and islam under christianity, guess ill have to prod them down.

nihilism does not mean there cant be a deity. this does not conform to the atheists picture
strong and weak atheism is still atheism although they arent different forms, merely a different stance taken by believers. so these two are atheism
pantheism means a belief in an all encompassing god keyword: god. therefore why call it atheism?
Ignosticism is a theologian concept. dude. SERIOUSLY. dude.
humanism isnt a "branch of" atheism, it merely covers how morals dont require a supernatural being. but ill let you get this point
marxism wasnt atheism, it was merely a political mentality where religion had no place in state.
Scientology is a religion, it is tax exempt in many countries and is considered a cult in many countries. how the fudge is scientology atheism when it believes in alien SOULS. supernatural. supernatural and atheism dont play well together in the sand pit.
Jediism is overplayed, it was a joke in newzealand, aust, britain and canada predominately to screw with the census. if you look into the matter, it was actually agnostics and atheists playing a joke as when they made the jedi answer no longer count, people decided to answer truthfully and the number of atheists and agnostics in number rose in the next consensus.
Pastafarianism may you be touched by his noodly appendage

im a pastafarian, and if you knew anything about it, it was created to spite stupid american religious conservatives who wanted intelligent design in schools.
wiki isnt helpful on brightism or forteanism
objectism is not atheism, i dont think there are many objectism out there but there may be people who live by its code unintentionally.
buddhism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism nuff said. reincarnation, afterlife, some person being worshipped like jesus, its the same old same old.

you have scored 3/17. not good. worst still considering that you said scientology is a form of atheism. what atheist believes touching metal removes evil alien souls attached to your own soul. what atheist believes in supernatural souls? and pastafarianism a branch of atheism? seriously... im gonna give up soon

the stupid, it burns

@Maximillian: In the course of your average day, if you believe in god or not is almost entirely irrelevant.

Lastly, the point of my top 10 list, was to be humorous not serious.
In Amercia, 28% of the population claims to have changed their belief system in one way or another over the course of their lifetime. (44% if you include switching between different forms of protestantism or different sects of the same religion)

Each person has their own personal story of WHY they changed or switched beliefs. Why a person converts to Islam or Buddhism ( a form of atheism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism does that seem like atheism?) or Hinduism, or Doaism, or Christianity, or Judaism, or Jainism, or Protestantism, or Wicca, or Scientology, or Jehova Witnessess, or Strong Atheism, or Agnosticism, or Sikhism, or weak Atheism, or Victorian Atheism, or New Atheism, or Anti-theism, or Deism, or Pantheism, or Panatheism, or Ignosticism, or Nihilism, etc., all depends on thousands of factors that is different for each person.

There is no real reason why people change their beliefs. Which is why I thought a humorous top 10 list would be the best sort of response.

that list was inaccurate in a lot of ways. 2/10 correct is deplorable. i would make a list for why christianity, but it would be demeaning and disrespectful.

Daganev wrote:

simmen wrote:

Daganev wrote:

Human beings are born to believe in the non-material, it's genetic.

woulden't say belive in someting non-metarial, but we need answers, when we can't find it we make up our own storys why

Then I'll have to conclude that you didn't read the science on the issue.

This isn't a position based on some philosophy class or my own ideas about this issue. I say that it's genetic because of the science which has confirmed it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Health ... 469&page=1

this link only works if they give you 3rd party cookies, i dont like them cookies. cant see.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... gests.html

children believe in santa claus as they have no other reason to explain the toys appearing under the tree.
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In one study, six and seven-year-olds who were asked why the first bird existed replied "to make nice music" and "because it makes the world look nice".

He added that this means children are more likely to believe in creationism rather than evolution, despite what they may be told by parents or teachers.
wow, lets think just like children. where does concrete come from? dirt and water. lets put some twigs in to stabilize it. yay our 3 level building has collapsed and killed everyone inside, lets sacrifice animals to appease the gods.

so children dont have the information available to make informed decisions and ultimately come to the conclusion that since they cant explain it with logic, facts, reasoning and science it must be supernatural.

this study makes creationists seem like little children. unaware of the workings of the world, rather then remain ignorant and try to find a plausible sensible answer, they decide to fill in the gaps with something, anything they can.

good link there.

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Let's be clear here, the science is not saying that you are genetically prone to believe in Jesus or Buddha. The science is saying that the odds of you believing something which can not be proven empirically, is genetically based.

science is saying that we are born without information of the world around us and ultimately come to such conclusion. after how many years of religious persecution, im surprised that natural selection did create a stronger gene.

-ducky, becoming more militant.

riski1234567dr · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:43 am

Ducky, if i take over America, ur my second in command :3

simmen · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:00 am

Apollo, if you take over America, i'll run to space :p

i vote for ducky as president

mrducky · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:47 am

simmen wrote:

Apollo, if you take over America, i'll run to space :p

i vote for ducky as president

if i take over america, ill systematically force everyone to the dark i mean DUCK SIDE!!! wo0o0o0o0o

apollo wrote:

Ducky, if i take over America, ur my second in command :3

Y_Y everytime apollo agrees with ducky, i shudder in fear. the world is in shock
and ducky remains as confused as ever.
arguing for the religious side ~ you are doing it wrong.

Maximillian · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:23 pm

ducky, you can be as militant as much as you want on any other topic. Just try to restrain yourself from making yourself or anyone else for that matter (goes for everyone) an @ss.

Daganev · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:25 am **Posts:** 231

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nihilism does not mean there cant be a deity. this does not conform to the atheists picture
strong and weak atheism is still atheism although they arent different forms, merely a different stance taken by believers. so these two are atheism
pantheism means a belief in an all encompassing god keyword: god. therefore why call it atheism?
Ignosticism is a theologian concept. dude. SERIOUSLY. dude.
humanism isnt a "branch of" atheism, it merely covers how morals dont require a supernatural being. but ill let you get this point
marxism wasnt atheism, it was merely a political mentality where religion had no place in state.
Scientology is a religion, it is tax exempt in many countries and is considered a cult in many countries. how the fudge is scientology atheism when it believes in alien SOULS. supernatural. supernatural and atheism dont play well together in the sand pit.
Jediism is overplayed, it was a joke in newzealand, aust, britain and canada predominately to screw with the census. if you look into the matter, it was actually agnostics and atheists playing a joke as when they made the jedi answer no longer count, people decided to answer truthfully and the number of atheists and agnostics in number rose in the next consensus.
Pastafarianism may you be touched by his noodly appendage

im a pastafarian, and if you knew anything about it, it was created to spite stupid american religious conservatives who wanted intelligent design in schools.
wiki isnt helpful on brightism or forteanism
objectism is not atheism, i dont think there are many objectism out there but there may be people who live by its code unintentionally.
buddhism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism nuff said. reincarnation, afterlife, some person being worshipped like jesus, its the same old same old.

Ducky, You are so wrong about this you have no idea.
Aristotle was killed for being an "atheist" (even though that word wasn't invented until the 16th century) Why was he an "atheist" because there were specific gods he thought didn't exist. (but he did believe in a different god)

Nihilism is the teachings of Nietzsche who wrote "god is dead". Nihilism is the belief in NOTHING. I really don't get how you can say that Nihilism is not a form of Atheism. Who are you to tell someone if they are an atheist or not?

Saying that all forms of Atheism is the same, is like saying all forms of Christianity are the same. They all believe in Jesus.

Do I seriously have to go through each one for you? I can't believe your level of ignorance...

Let's put it this way, if you ask a Nihilist, or an ignostic, or a marxists, or a humanist, or a Scientology, or an objectivist or a buddhist if they believe in god, the answer will be a resounding NO.

Your responses are like the catholic who says that there is only 1 form of Christianity, everything else isn't Christian.

Give me a frikin break. I can not believe how much you argue based on total and complete ignorance.

Let me remind you what Ignosticism is:
From wikipedia:

"In a chapter of his 1936 book Language, Truth, and Logic, A. J. Ayer argued that one could not speak of God's existence, or even the probability of God's existence, since the concept itself was unverifiable and thus nonsensical.[4] Ayer wrote that this ruled out atheism and agnosticism as well as theism because all three positions assume that the sentence "God exists" is meaningful.[5] Given the meaninglessness of theistic claims, Ayer opined that there was "no logical ground for antagonism between religion and natural science",[6] as theism alone does not entail any propositions which the scientific method can falsify.

Like Ayer, Theodore Drange sees atheism and agnosticism as positions which accept "God exists" as a meaningful proposition; atheists judge it to be "false or probably false" and agnostics consider it to be inconclusive until further evidence is met.[7] If Drange's definitions are accepted, ignostics are neither atheists nor agnostics. A simplified maxim on the subject states "An atheist would say, 'I don't believe God exists'; an agnostic would say, 'I don't know whether or not God exists'; and an ignostic would say, 'I don't know what you mean when you say, "God exists" '.""

Remember, Atheism is the believe that there is no god. It is not the believe that there are no ghosts, or spirits, or karma, etc. Each branch of Atheism has a different belief system over the details.

And you may not be aware of this but there are plenty of Objectivists around and living today. Alan Greenspan is probably the most famous member of this atheistic philosophy.

Seriously, your ignorance knows no bounds.

riski1234567dr · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:13 pm

dag, im starting to seem some flaming....

LordPanawa · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:44 pm

Daganev those are some pretty serious accusations, and I'm going to have to give you a warning for this.

I don't want this flaming to be continued, and you guys know your bounds

Flaming stops NOW

~Panda

Daganev · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:25 am **Posts:** 231

ahh, found hte thread in question..

What flaming?

Does Ducky know or not know that ignosticism is a form of atheism? Is he ignorant of this fact or not?

Do you need more textual references to this statement of fact?

Why Are Atheists Atheist?