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Maximillian · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:15 pm

Daganev wrote:

Your responses are like the catholic who says that there is only 1 form of Christianity, everything else isn't Christian.

To clear this up, not all Catholics say this. Only those who are extremely ignorant. Christianity is one religion with many denominations. There is one Roman Catholic church, but many Protestant churches. All Christian.

Daganev · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:25 am **Posts:** 231

Maximillian wrote:

Daganev wrote:

Your responses are like the catholic who says that there is only 1 form of Christianity, everything else isn't Christian.

To clear this up, not all Catholics say this. Only those who are extremely ignorant. Christianity is one religion with many denominations. There is one Roman Catholic church, but many Protestant churches. All Christian.

Yes, that was my point, only ignorant people say such things.

mrducky · **Posted:** Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:20 am

Daganev wrote:

Ducky, You are so wrong about this you have no idea.
Aristotle was killed for being an "atheist" (even though that word wasn't invented until the 16th century) Why was he an "atheist" because there were specific gods he thought didn't exist. (but he did believe in a different god)

you are atheist too, im atheist too, i believe in either 1 or 3 less gods then you, that holy trinity is polytheism whether you like it or not.

Nihilism is the teachings of Nietzsche who wrote "god is dead". Nihilism is the belief in NOTHING. I really don't get how you can say that Nihilism is not a form of Atheism. Who are you to tell someone if they are an atheist or not?

sorry, but i am a great fan of nietzsche, he noted nihilism as a possible result of INSTANT large population of atheists and the moral results. he concluded that there should be new morals in place to help lay the foundation of the older morals that society needs and relgiion preaches. he didnt support nihilism, only warned against it. dont call my ignorant on this matter.

Saying that all forms of Atheism is the same, is like saying all forms of Christianity are the same. They all believe in Jesus.

Do I seriously have to go through each one for you? I can't believe your level of ignorance...

i went through each one for you.

Let's put it this way, if you ask a Nihilist, or an ignostic, or a marxists, or a humanist, or a Scientology, or an objectivist or a buddhist if they believe in god, the answer will be a resounding NO.

humanist can have a god (more likely a deity). they just believe morals come from a different source. i cover buddhism below. marxism was a political philosophy that believed that religion has no place in society. it isnt a form of atheism as this conflicts with buddhism

Your responses are like the catholic who says that there is only 1 form of Christianity, everything else isn't Christian.

Give me a frikin break. I can not believe how much you argue based on total and complete ignorance.

Let me remind you what Ignosticism is:
From wikipedia:

"In a chapter of his 1936 book Language, Truth, and Logic, A. J. Ayer argued that one could not speak of God's existence, or even the probability of God's existence, since the concept itself was unverifiable and thus nonsensical.[4] Ayer wrote that this ruled out atheism and agnosticism as well as theism because all three positions assume that the sentence "God exists" is meaningful.[5] Given the meaninglessness of theistic claims, Ayer opined that there was "no logical ground for antagonism between religion and natural science",[6] as theism alone does not entail any propositions which the scientific method can falsify.

Like Ayer, Theodore Drange sees atheism and agnosticism as positions which accept "God exists" as a meaningful proposition; atheists judge it to be "false or probably false" and agnostics consider it to be inconclusive until further evidence is met.[7] If Drange's definitions are accepted, ignostics are neither atheists nor agnostics. A simplified maxim on the subject states "An atheist would say, 'I don't believe God exists'; an agnostic would say, 'I don't know whether or not God exists'; and an ignostic would say, 'I don't know what you mean when you say, "God exists" '.""

that doesnt mean they cant believe in a deity, it was coined by a jew, that isnt a form of atheism, its a philosophical stance.

Remember, Atheism is the believe that there is no god. It is not the believe that there are no ghosts, or spirits, or karma, etc. Each branch of Atheism has a different belief system over the details.

say deity Freaking nuts on face!

oooh i have buddhism
It is a religion because it satisfies all the criteria....

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

And you may not be aware of this but there are plenty of Objectivists around and living today. Alan Greenspan is probably the most famous member of this atheistic philosophy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)
woah... objectivism is some trippy stuff.

"David Sidorsky, a professor of moral and political philosophy at Columbia University, says Rand's work is "outside the mainstream" and is more of an ideological movement than a well-grounded philosophy"

in short, its a shifty philosophical movement, not well tied into atheism.

Seriously, your ignorance knows no bounds.
thats right, and dont you forget it

Steven · **Posted:** Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:45 am

Definitions
Theist - Someone who believes in a god, goddess, or god(dese)s
-----Monotheist - Someone who believes in One God only. Exclusively.
-----Polytheist - Someone who believes in more than one god or goddesses.
Deist - Someone who believes in a god, goddess or god(dese)s who started the universe but has not intervened since.
Non-Theist - The opposite of a theist.
-----Weak Atheist* - Someone who doesnt believe in a God.
-----Strong Atheist* - Someone who believes in the nonexistance of God.
-----Agnostic - Someone who believes it is not possible to know whether a God exists and/or is undecided.
-----Anti-Theist - Someone who goes out of their way to argue with and disprove religion, outside of usual discussions and debates (Can both resemble someone who argues against theism, or someone who is rude and attacks theism).

*There is a distinct difference between the two.

One quick point:
Atheism is the disbelief in a God or the belief that a God does not exist. Bar that, it is nothing. "Atheism" doesn't imply humanist, or nihilist. It simply is not believing, or believing that a god doesn't exist.
(Note: Buddhism is usually an atheistic set of beliefs)

sanjaccat · **Posted:** Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:34 am

I do not understand why there are Atheist. I believe each to their own, one day we will know the truth. Then this question can be left in history! LOL ..........

ronelm2000 · **Posted:** Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:36 pm

Sigh. I would like to join this somewhat senseless fight.

I'm choosing to side with the Christians.

Reason: Atheism is senseless..

Atheism doesnt have sense 'cus they only believe what they see with their eyes, which suggests that God doesnt exist.

There are A LOT of reasons to believe Christianity...http://www.y-jesus.com for example...

But why do people stay atheist? 'cus they want to. (simple)

rederoin · **Posted:** Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:51 pm

Atheist are Atheist.

You know why?

Because their is no proof!
And gues what!
evolution does have proof!

And here is the newsflash , theirs a reason religions are called beliefs.
Becease you have to "belief" in it.

And we Atheist don't.

Is it really that hard for all of you anti-atheist to understand?

ronelm2000 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:23 am

Evolution doesnt have proof.

Look...try to present your "proofs" of evolution, and I'll "unproof" them.

Steven · **Posted:** Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:32 am

ronelm2000 wrote:

Evolution doesnt have proof.

Look...try to present your "proofs" of evolution, and I'll "unproof" them.

Despite me disagreeing with some of red's arguments. I can ultimately say on this matter, you are wrong. It is an empirically verified fact, and it is the most probable explanation for the origin of species (intended).

Now, onto red.

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Because their is no proof!
And gues what!
evolution does have proof!

Well, no. There is no "proof" for both sides, taking proof to mean deductive proof, as it should be. However, if you're talking about evidence - which you probably are, in virtue of evolution being induced by an a posteriori argument - then you're wrong.

Of course theism has evidence for it. To deny the existence of their arguments is foolish. You could say "the evidence for theism is not sufficient for it to be true" - fair enough, that's reasonable. But why not? Specific cases is required.

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And here is the newsflash , theirs a reason religions are called beliefs.
Becease you have to "belief" in it.

A belief is defined as "any cognitive content held as true" - as per dictionary definition. This would be consistent with both a non-theistic worldview and a theistic worldview - both require someone to hold a cognitive content as truth.

If, what you're trying to say, is that "theism requires one to jump between the evidence available and the truth" - you're absolutely right. Because every, non-deductive, argument has an element of this - it is impossible for a non-deductive proof to end in a deductive truth. Despite all of the evidence for evolution, it is not guaranteed it is true, we must infer that it most probably is from the large collection of evidence we have for it.

On a last note, evolution is not synonymous with Atheism, as creationism is not with theism. There is a large group of Theistic Evolutionists, for starters, but mainly - Evolution is not a metaphysical claim, it is a physical claim, it neither precludes nor permits a God or Gods.

rederoin · **Posted:** Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:06 pm

I just found some "reasons" , why atheist are athiest.

warning: Those are not my quotes.8(its copy-pasted btw)

[quotes]
1. Religion easily has the best - story of all time. Think about it. Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.

2. Atheism: A non-prophet organization.

3. I’m completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

Friedrich Nietzsche Quotes
4. Which is it, is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s?

5. Faith means not wanting to know what is true.

6. Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.

Albert Einstein Quotes

7. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of “humility.” This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.

8. It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. … Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
Albert Einstein, “Religion and Science”, New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930

9. If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.

Gandhi Quotes

10. The most henious and the must cruel crimes of which history has record have been committed under the cover of religion or equally noble motives.
Mohandas K Gandhi, Young India, July 7, 1950, quoted from Laird Wilcox, ed., “The Degeneration of Belief”

11. I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

Mark Twain Quotes

12. “It ain’t those parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand.”
Mark Twain

13. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
Mark Twain

14. What God lacks is convictions — stability of character. He ought to be a Presbyterian or a Catholic or something — not try to be everything.

15. Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer.
Mark Twain, quoted from Curmudgeon-Online

16. “In God We Trust.” I don’t believe it would sound any better if it were true.

Thomas Jefferson Quotes

17. Shake off all fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.

18. We are afraid of the known and afraid of the unknown. That is our daily life and in that there is no hope, and therefore every form of philosophy, every form of theological concept, is merely an escape from the actual reality of what is. All outward forms of change brought about by wars, revolutions, reformations, laws and ideologies have failed completely to change the basic nature of man and therefore of society.

Benjamin Franklin Quotes

19. The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason: The Morning Daylight appears plainer when you put out your Candle.
Benjamin Franklin, the incompatibility of faith and reason, Poor Richard’s Almanack (1758)

20. Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.

Voltaire Quotes

21. If God has made us in his image, we have returned him the favor.
Voltaire

22. Those who believe absurdities will commit atrocities

Stephen Hawking Quotes

23. Black holes would seem to suggest that God not only plays dice, but also sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen.
Stephen Hawking, NATURE, 1975

24. We could call order by the name of God, but it would be an impersonal God. There’s not much personal about the laws of physics.

Jiddu Krishnamurti Quotes

25. Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay.
Jiddu Krishnamurti

26. The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.
Jiddu Krishnamurti

Christopher Hitchens Quotes

27. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.
Christopher Hitchens

28. Christopher Hitchens On Jerry Falwell: If you gave Falwell an enema, he could be buried in a matchbox.

Sigmund Freud Quotes

29. Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires.
Sigmund Freud

30. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
Karl Marx

George Bernard Shaw Quotes

31. The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.
George Bernard Shaw

32. Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions.
Blaise Pascal Quote

32. You’re basically killing each other to see who’s got the better imaginary friend.
Richard Jeni Quote

34. With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg Quote

35. The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.
Delos B. McKown Quote

36. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Edward Gibbon

37. Our ignorance is God; what we know is science.
Robert Ingersoll

38. The foolish reject what they see and not what they think; the wise reject what they think and not what they see.
Huang Po

39. Where knowledge ends, religion begins.
Benjamin Disraeli Quote

40. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
Quote from Unknown

41. If there really is a God who created the entire universe with all of its glories, and He decides to deliver a message to humanity, He will not use, as His messenger, a person on cable TV with a bad hairstyle.
Dave Barry

42. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
- Epicurus Quotes

43. The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not.
Eric Hoffer Quotes

44. I think flying planes into a building was a faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder.
Bill Maher

45. There’s a phrase we live by in America: “In God We Trust”. It’s right there where Jesus would want it: on our money.

46. If we go back to the beginning, we shall find that ignorance and fear created the gods; that fancy, enthusiasm, or deceit adorned them; that weakness worships them; that credulity preserves them and that custom, respect and tyranny support them in order to make the blindness of men serve their own interests. If the ignorance of nature gave birth to gods, the knowledge of nature is calculated to destroy them.
Baron D’Holbach, cited in Jonathan Miller. (2004). A Brief History of Disbelief [TV-Series].

47. If I thought the Jews killed God, I’d worship the Jews.
Bill Hicks

48. Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
Isaac Asimov

49. A belief which leaves no place for doubt is not a belief; it is a superstition.
José Bergamín

50. One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion.
Arthur C. Clarke Quotes

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