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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:50 pm 
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The arabs are like a child needing attention, they make all these wack laws and start genocides, have sh*tty Dictators then take the oil away. You foriegners out there might diagree with me but the arabs dig our culture, the ones that dont fly planes into buildings, our soldiers have brought America to iraq and afghanastan since young arabs are rapping and breakdancing etc. So if we keep our soldiers in longer they are soon to be converted to our society and the rebels wont be able to regain support.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:50 pm 
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The arabs are like a child needing attention, they make all these wack laws and start genocides, have sh*tty Dictators then take the oil away. You foriegners out there might diagree with me but the arabs dig our culture, the ones that dont fly planes into buildings, our soldiers have brought America to iraq and afghanastan since young arabs are rapping and breakdancing etc. So if we keep our soldiers in longer they are soon to be converted to our society and the rebels wont be able to regain support.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:14 pm 
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Thats ridiculous. The Arabs have these crazy laws alright, but it isn't so crazy to them. We are the ones that go kill them, by starting illegal wars and forcing regime change. And whoever cares about those few people that like to rap and dance? They dont represent the 400 million Arabs in the region. The majority of them hate you. Dont delude yourself. Again what does keeping soldiers there have to do with culture? Are they soldiers or artists? They aren't there to spread culture, they are there to do their jobs. If the Jobs over, they gotta get home. Asap. And you talking about keeping people away from their families. Not right.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:22 am 
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those who are mad for power would not stand by and see someone else in the seat of power, they would do anything to get it back...
besides i see both Jews,Christians,,Buddhist walking on the streets with freedom and no one is trying to stop them from practicing there religion in maldives. and no one is forced to were burka and cover them selves up. the point is no one should force another to do this and that, that i don't like as well, i see as many with burka as that not wearing such. but from what i here, some countries are actually trying to force Muslims with burka to stop it, what about those Muslim women right to do what they wish? what freedom of religion is that?

i have never heard of that Indonesian women, but know that in sharia it would be the man that should be killed.

it is forbidden to beat women up, and they have all the rights to express themselves in Islam, that is one big lie put up on the world that women and put beneath men so much so that they become subservient. and i am happy to say that the younger Muslim generations like us hate that very idea and its is finally stopping. we do not tolerate such things.

and also i have not seen any one beheaded in Maldives for practicing another religion. and there is more crimes and disorders in non Muslim nations than in Muslim nations true to there sharia, not like in Afghanistan and such...

just one last thing as well, when Iran threatened to close down the strait of Hormuz America warned that they will attack and open it up again, threatened not to close it. what right to do you have to tell me to leave my door open? i can close it when ever i see fit... but Iran should not do it either,but America cant go on threatening as well.

what about the burning of Qur'an? and then say it was an accident.
just this last quote from Wikipedia
"Deepa Kumar, the author of Outside the Box: Corporate Media, Globalization, and the UPS Strike, in her article titled 'Fighting Islamophobia: A Response to Critics' says "The history of Islam is no more violent than the history of any of the other major religions of the world. Perhaps my critics haven't heard of the Crusades -- the religious wars fought by European Christians from the 11th to the 13th centuries" referring to the brutality of the crusades and then contrasting them to forbidding of acts of vengeance and violence by the Sultan of Egypt Saladin, after he successfully retook Jerusalem from the Crusaders. Speaking on the Danish Muhammad cartoon controversy she says "The Danish cartoon of the prophet Mohammed with a bomb on his head is nothing if not the visual depiction of the racist diatribe that Islam is inherently violent. To those who can't understand why this argument is racist, let me be clear: when you take the actions of a few people and generalize it to an entire group -- all Muslims, all Arabs -- that's racism. When a whole group of people are discriminated against and demonized because of their religion or regional origin, that's racism." And "...Arabs and Muslims are being scapegoated and demonized to justify a war that is ruining the lives of millions."

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:45 am 
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but from what i here, some countries are actually trying to force Muslims with burka to stop it, what about those Muslim women right to do what they wish? what freedom of religion is that?


I am against that too. I believe anyone can wear anything, and if someone is afraid or paranoic or uneasy about the burka, then he must be a wimp thats afriad of womens clothing :lol: But they do have a valid point. When you immigrate to any nation, you gotta assimilate, and start practicing or atleast respecting their culture. When you do something that is directly opposite what they believe in, then it creates friction. The flexibility should be from both sides. While practicing Islam, you have to take care you also assimilate into their societies, in such a fashion that you dont practice it the way you do in Islamic nations. This is how the real world works. It isnt perfect, but nothing ever is.

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it is forbidden to beat women up, and they have all the rights to express themselves in Islam, that is one big lie put up on the world that women and put beneath men so much so that they become subservient. and i am happy to say that the younger Muslim generations like us hate that very idea and its is finally stopping. we do not tolerate such things.


I dont know about this. Its good the younger generation is against it. But beating women up is something that is widely practiced. See this for example:



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what right to do you have to tell me to leave my door open? i can close it when ever i see fit... but Iran should not do it either,but America cant go on threatening as well.


America has all the rights in the world to demand that Iran shouldnt close the Straits of hormuz. That is not just Irans waters, but also an international trade route. The very reason Iran threatened to close it, was to cause disruption in world trade, especially oil. In this case, the US was right. For once.

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The Danish cartoon of the prophet Mohammed with a bomb on his head is nothing if not the visual depiction of the racist diatribe that Islam is inherently violent. To those who can't understand why this argument is racist, let me be clear: when you take the actions of a few people and generalize it to an entire group -- all Muslims, all Arabs -- that's racism. When a whole group of people are discriminated against and demonized because of their religion or regional origin, that's racism." And "...Arabs and Muslims are being scapegoated and demonized to justify a war that is ruining the lives of millions."


I agree with you fully. But what am trying to say, is the fact that actions of a few, affect everyone. Nations, that follow Islam should try to project themselves in a more positive light. Look at the US. How they have a sort of a brand value. Is it because everything is perfect there? Nope. Its just that they have managed to create an image of themselves that is acceptable to all. Though they have overused it today, and that has tarnished her image.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:47 am 
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I agree with you fully. But what am trying to say, is the fact that actions of a few, affect everyone. Nations, that follow Islam should try to project themselves in a more positive light. Look at the US. How they have a sort of a brand value. Is it because everything is perfect there? Nope. Its just that they have managed to create an image of themselves that is acceptable to all. Though they have overused it today, and that has tarnished her image.


yup, that we should try to project ourselves in a more positive light, stupid people have made stupid things that darkened our image :( hate every single one of those..

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:55 am 
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That video wasn't so bad. No hitting the face, no hitting too hard, no hitting animals in the face, at least they have rules. You know how many drunk wifebeaters are in America? How many psychopaths that would kill an animal or a spouse? But the thing you said earlier about the guy raping the woman and not getting punished..... and then they killed the girl... that's f'd up.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:00 am 
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You are talking about outright criminals. Those exist everywhere, including Saudi. Am talking about legitimized wife beating. That dont exist anywhere. Try doing that in America or elsewhere and giving reasons like, they were light beatings and not to the face. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
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well we have to rember that our own countrys use to be as bad, but we had manners and we didnt have all the new weapons, and if we had a gun it was used for enforceing the law or for hunting

they use there bullets like they are free and they use bombs like that too, so the real question should be who is giveing them all these weapons because you dont see them with factorys to make them, so who ever provides them is the one that fuels them

another thing is is that they have the oil so we cant use an atomic bomb to kick them straight, and that is why the continue to be the anarcy ways they are set in

plus these people dont seem to have any jobs but to wok for the terrorist organisations so the only way for them to get food or even to survive is to jion these outlandiss organizations

the real thing that is fueling them is there weapon suppliers, cut them off and they will have to organize them selves in more modern ways, heck and withou there weapons then they wouldnt destroy every building they have, they need structure before they do something stupid that causes the world to suffer

my father was in iraq and afghanistan for 2 years, he was shot twice, both times were with the hostile happy fire, or celibration fire, my father was hit in the hand and leg, they didnt give him the purple heart because as stated, he had to be within so many miles of what is known as a hostile zone, to me getting shot is getting shot and they proved it was from an ak47 and he walks with a limp and his knee bothers him, also he has lost feeling in the hand for the most part, and he deserve the purple heart

i think we should wait for knothing and plow our way acroos he country and bully them by any means, and wipe them into shape, take no prisoners and treat them how they treat our prisoners, there capture you and then torture you, and then even in death they tare you apart limb by limb

give them a taste of there own medicine

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
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"They"? Who?

Are you talking about 400 million people, or about a few morons that are terrorists? If you are generalizing and calling 400 million people terrorists, then you my friend are a racist. You dont know squat about what really goes on there and you simply are too *CENSORED* self righteous about your own misery.

I have all the respect in the world for your dad, but guess what he was doing in the middle east? He was at WAR. If I shot my enemy, Id celebrate too. I am damn sure the tons of allied forces that bombed middle eastern countries to *CENSORED*, tortured them, made them homeless, dropped depleted uranium on them making babies deformed were all happy about what they did atleast when they did it.

Plough your way through? These kind of arrogant, self serving, ridiculous, thoughtless and stupid comments really get on my *CENSORED* nerves. What are you ploughing your way through you moron? You are ploughing your way through people, their homes,their loved ones and their livelihood. You may not like their culture, but dont go around endorsing murder, just cuz your dad took a couple of bullets in his leg - and rightfully so, he was at war. I am damn sure he killed many more. What do you expect to happen in war? For them to hug and kiss you?

Who has been illegally invading, economically controlling and abusing their nations? America has!! Simply for political and financial gain. What do you think the American army does when they capture civilians? Torture them like animals. For years. You choose to turn a blind eye to things like forced regime change, imperialism etc which is actually what is happening in the middle east, and you are spewing some right wing propaganda we've all heard before. This whole war on terror is a charade. It isnt completely unjustified muslim hatred against the US, its blowback, from US foreign policies back in the days of the cold war. If there is definite evil in this world, then you can see it at work in Washington DC.

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