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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:07 am 
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The motive is regime change. To a regime that is submissive to the US. This is what they have been doing in the middle east for the last I dont know how many years. The western foreign policy planners can never really envision a democratic middle east. The moment the middle east becomes democratic, public opinion starts to affect government policies, the whole middle east will be against the US. Therefore they use reasons like war on terror, WMD etc to get into wars.

They also use the divided Arab community against each other. Especially the Shia Sunni conflict. Israel on the other hand would like a weak Arab neighbourhood and a weak middle east to ensure her own survival. Cuz lets face it, its true when they say that if Israel puts its weapons down, they will be destroyed. But if the Arabs put their weapons down, there will be peace. Saudi Arabia, doesnt like Syria and Iran cuz both these nations are Shia, while Saudi is Sunni.

So ultimately, its not just the US, Israel or NATO, its also the Arab community that is divided that gives the western powers an advantage over them. Heck this is how India was invaded by the British. Classic divide and rule. India was full of these princely states that didnt like each other. All the British had to do was take sides and slowly bring everything in its grasp. Until we united and then they had to let go.

As of now, I think the 1st regime change will be in Syria. 2 reasons. One, Syria is Irans friend. Taking Syria down, means weakening Iran. Since Iran gives military support and Syria political support to Hezbollah, again a regime change will weaken terrorists for Israel, which is what they want. Taking out Iran would be in Israel's best interests, while serving the interests American imperialism. But since there is unity in Iran, I think a war is inevitable. But in the future. After Syria, after the elections, cuz if Obama gets reelected, he can do as he pleases. He doesnt have to ask for votes again lol.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:42 am 
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Of course, its all power politics and imperialism and industrialization my friend. Without war America is nothing. The economy and the industries need it.


yup ,mfreak , and like you said the troops are being pulled out for getting ready for another war . probably Iran. if not America starting it first, Israel would. i half think most of American decisions are not made by her people , but by Israel . Every western ally is taking advantage of the divided muslim community :( its was not this way when we were united ... look back into history and all you see is the slow weakening of the arab and muslim unities , especially in the middle east , in a slow strategic manner.

any way china is powering up all over asia and so america can't just sit and watch that happen.

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China wont beat the US in a 1000 years. Maybe by figures on Paper. But in reality, they wont get to replace the political, economical and military clout that the US has.

BTW this theory that Israel calls the shots for America is false. They are both independent nations. Its just that their motives are different, but their goals are the same. The motive in Israels case is not wrong. But in the case of the US, its imperialism which is just wrong. Secondly, I dont think Israel will start a war. I dont think they have the capability to invade. Maybe do strategic strikes, but you know what strategic strikes mean. Its war.

Also, one of the main reasons for Arab disunity, atleast in my view, is their reluctance or rather their rejection of 21st century political and social policies. I mean look at most Muslim nations. They will be following the primitive Sharia law. When you do this, your people dont advance, and you become disconnected with what is happening in the world. You also come to be looked down upon by other countries that are advanced. I think the Arab world needs a change, not in terms of war, but in terms of how they govern themselves. Religion should be replaced with democracy, for the middle east to become strong.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
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:D i understand your view well mfreak :) just make sure you don't say that to another Arab let alone a Muslim :) replace religion with democracy? well take a look at my country than, Maldives have been governed with sharia plus other democratic views which DO NOT go beyond our religious beliefs, that is what all Muslim nations should learn.
You say religion should be replaced by democracy , but yet you do not really know what Islam is about other than what you here on your Media. have you ever really read the Qur'an just to see what it says? or have you talked to a Muslim who is not an extremist going around with a gun calling that jihad? that's no what it is about. Islam have always looked upon the views and suggestions of the people to govern its nations. to respect what others point of view is. and try to find a middle ground. now because some Muslims went away from that , than they became primitive ruling ways, because of a few people ruling for 30 years , 40 years with an iron grip , people say Muslims have a primitive way of governing, while its not that way at all.
you say we love to kill and fight, yet its forbidden to kill a person without a just reason, and even at that you have to prove your reasons. and we can't attack other nations unless they attack first or unless that nation breaks a military truce with a Muslim nations and such... do not blame the religion for all of this disunity, do not blame every Muslim there is...
all i ask the people who blame Islam and Muslims and say that our ways are primitive is to just study Islam through good books, take a look at Qur'an instead of burning it and then think what your view is.
I know our name has been tarnished because of a few people doing, but you cant blame all of that on all of us.

than you say more advanced countries, i hope you guys know that when muslim nations were the way they should knowledge, technology flourished in the lands, if you dont know go look on google...

ahh i hate to go on like this, and i think iv gone of topic as well, but sorry mfreak but kinder got me going back there :) again my apologies to any one who did not like reading what i wrote or any thing, but i wanted to make a few things clear :)

besides in a way moving troops from Afghanistan is good.. but who knows what come next... i am happy for the families of the American troops, cause they can have a better time together now :) and thank the American troops for what they have done in Afghanistan , for showing that extremists are still there among us...

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:58 am 
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Tom wrote:
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Obama pulling 33,000 troops out of Afghanistan, saying ''the conditions are right for a full scale withdrawal.''

Thoughts anyone?



This is the 3rd time the "Troops are Home" Lie was played on national Television.


I work with military, without actually being military myself. We are not even out of japan, and germany yet from WWII. As if we'd leave the middle east .


That's a bit over simplistic. You're implying that US forces in Japan and Germany are 'remnants' of WW2 occupying forces. The fact that the US maintains military bases in a country doesn't mean they are at war with them, or still 'mopping up' from a war that ended long ago.


Well they are still kinda left over, after WW2 we told Germany they couldn't have a army and we have been funding there defense ever since -.-


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Ya it's about time US withdraw troops from Afghan n Iraq.. But the situation there is not good for immediate withdrawal of all troops.. It should be a systematic procedure..


Is it really the U.S business to be in 130 countries?

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
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Thats exactly what am talking about. I am not saying all muslims are extremists. A lot of extremists just happen to be Muslims, MOST of the time. But, you got a bit worked up, when I called out Sharia. But a lot of Christians will still be tolerant, if you say something against Christianity. Now I know there are a lot of bible thumpers out there, but the number is considerably less.

You talk about Maldives. First of all Maldives is going through a political turmoil. There is no true democracy there, with the recent coup. Anyway, in Maldives, there is no freedom of religion. Do you see that in Christian nations? In Saudi Arabia, you will be beheaded if you practice any other religion, or convert from Islam to any other religion. And they are ruled strictly by Sharia. You take a look at all the nations that are ruled by Sharia. Where do you think people have more freedom? In Christian nations, that actually accommodate muslims, and change their laws to suit them, or in Muslim nations that are intolerant towards other religions? You gotta look at facts and call it as you see it. I am not talking about Islam here. Am sure its as good as any other religion out there. Personally I think all religions are bogus and bullcrap and have brought nothing but death and destruction. No offense. But I am talking about nations governed by a particular religious law.

Recently there was a case, in Saudi, where an Indonesian woman was raped by her employer. She was beheaded. The man was let go. I would have loved to see her live, not raped and the guy dead for trying to rape her. How is this fair? Under the Sharia law, women can be beaten by their husbands. There is a video on youtube, where this guy explains, how to beat your wife. I wont stand for it. In Sharia law, the woman is somehow beneath her husband, and should be subservient. She cant ever express her beauty by wearing a bikini and sun bathing (yumm yumm :D ) , or even wearing makeup. She has to wear this burka and cover herself from head to toe. Seriously in the 21st century what kind of laws are these? If someone says, I am happy under the Sharia law, I wont stand in their way. I stand for peoples freedom of choice. But I am talking about the kind of impression, the more powerful countries like the US will have, over societies that they see as having a value system that doesnt quite integrate with today's world. Where anyone can do whatever he wants to do and where women are equal to men in everything. The whole world is not gonna adjust to you, you gotta adjust to the rest of the world. And for better or worse, the rest of the world does not believe in such ways of governance.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:45 am 
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Made a committment to leave an Islamic nation that you have invaded, and even though you said you wanna leave, you really dont...what do you do?

Easy. Burn some Korans, and kick the hornet's nest. Afterword you can condemn the act and say it was a big mistake. That will most likely at the very least, placate the Americans. I doubt it will help the sentiment with the Islamic locals though...

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
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Yeah and while they distract everyone with all the drama in Iran, they are covertly changing the regime in Syria :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
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Now it may be important but in 30 years when all the oil is gone and the desert becomes inhospitable nobody will give a sh*t about the arabs, soon the arabs will find out that they arent needed for their oil anymore, Then they will realize that they are like every other country, fall in line, consume, Reproduce, and pay taxes.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama pulling troops out of Afghanistan
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Now it may be important but in 30 years when all the oil is gone and the desert becomes inhospitable nobody will give a sh*t about the arabs, soon the arabs will find out that they arent needed for their oil anymore, Then they will realize that they are like every other country, fall in line, consume, Reproduce, and pay taxes.


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