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Post subject: Re: Who Created God? Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:51 pm |
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Just FYI Duck the 'make up random stuff and put it in the place of God' thing is very dated, seek fresh material.
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Post subject: Re: Who Created God? Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:04 am |
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Routhy wrote: Just FYI Duck the 'make up random stuff and put it in the place of God' thing is very dated, seek fresh material. as opposed to referring to a multi millenia old book as a source? thats nice of you, refraining from hypocrisy... btw, i would appreciate it greatly if you can actually point to the "random stuff i make up". i suggest reading a book from stephen hawking, "a brief history of time" is fantastic. or, since you are a conservative, ill go back to the good ol' days and point to einstein and how he laughed at newtonian physics demonstrating that gravity bends space. gravity affects time. this was all covered under the heading "general relativity". space-time is a relatively old concept. do try to keep up. (published 1915) ____________________________________________ @MmCm6 i only point that out with the "created needs a creator" argument. the common go around these days is "god wasnt created, god is eternal" so i can point out the the raw energy (material) for the universe wasnt created. its eternal. See: Conservation of energy although anything before the big bang is the supernatural and beyond the realm of science so no one knows how the system present before the big bang handled energy. its a cop out, but a perfectly reasonable cop out. at least its based on reason and evidence as opposed to GODIDIT btw. just a heads up, gods are often metaphysical and not tangible. so they are unlikely to be made of 'matter'
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Post subject: Re: Who Created God? Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:57 pm |
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mrducky wrote: Routhy wrote: Just FYI Duck the 'make up random stuff and put it in the place of God' thing is very dated, seek fresh material. as opposed to referring to a multi millenia old book as a source? thats nice of you, refraining from hypocrisy... btw, i would appreciate it greatly if you can actually point to the "random stuff i make up". i suggest reading a book from stephen hawking, "a brief history of time" is fantastic. or, since you are a conservative, ill go back to the good ol' days and point to einstein and how he laughed at newtonian physics demonstrating that gravity bends space. gravity affects time. this was all covered under the heading "general relativity". space-time is a relatively old concept. do try to keep up. (published 1915) ...In a conversation about the content of said book, it'd be hard for me not to reference it, would it not? Here's some random stuff you made up: Quote: (who create god? the magic hamster. who created the magic hamster? the all knowing unicorn. who created the all knowing unicorn? odin. who created odin? jesus. who created jesus? superman. who created superman? an intelligent shade of blue. who created... etc etc.) Note how you mocked the original question by putting random stuff you made up in place of God, just like I said. I am also well aware that most of the things there were not actually made up by you, and am also aware that you listed the J-man in there and will no doubt be tempted to suggest that I am saying that he is 'made up', so now you don't need to waste time pulling at that thread. Semantics is boring. That is what I was referring to, not the actual scientific content of your posts. Do try to keep up.
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Post subject: Re: Who Created God? Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:32 pm |
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If god created us then someone must have created him he can't have just been there like a lot of you keep suggesting
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Post subject: Re: Who Created God? Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:17 pm |
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Not at all, you are assuming that the basic facts about our existence apply to God, which is not necessarily the case.
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Post subject: Re: Who Created God? Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:46 pm |
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People who believe in God don't question where he came from. Its called Faith they believe God was the first thing and there was nothingness before he created everything. they dont need to question it because they already have faith. the second you start questioning things the devil will get you like mr. ducky here(jk).
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Post subject: Re: Who Created God? Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:50 pm |
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What a silly question, sir! One day men decided to invent imaginary friends in order to justify their existence and these simply evolved. Take for example the Christian and Islamic Gods, both rip-offs of the Jewish God.
Gods are men-made products.
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Post subject: Re: Who Created God? Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:54 pm |
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Perhaps the specific Gods, but nobody on Earth can disprove the presence of a higher power, more intelligent being, whatever you want to call it.
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Post subject: Re: Who Created God? Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:38 am |
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Routhy wrote: mrducky wrote: Routhy wrote: Just FYI Duck the 'make up random stuff and put it in the place of God' thing is very dated, seek fresh material. as opposed to referring to a multi millenia old book as a source? thats nice of you, refraining from hypocrisy... btw, i would appreciate it greatly if you can actually point to the "random stuff i make up". i suggest reading a book from stephen hawking, "a brief history of time" is fantastic. or, since you are a conservative, ill go back to the good ol' days and point to einstein and how he laughed at newtonian physics demonstrating that gravity bends space. gravity affects time. this was all covered under the heading "general relativity". space-time is a relatively old concept. do try to keep up. (published 1915) ...In a conversation about the content of said book, it'd be hard for me not to reference it, would it not? i thought we were discussing god in general, this lmeans the version of god can be challenged. i challenge with the most basic challenge. OTHER GODS. i also wanted to demonstrate the ad infinitumHere's some random stuff you made up: Quote: (who create god? the magic hamster. who created the magic hamster? the all knowing unicorn. who created the all knowing unicorn? odin. who created odin? jesus. who created jesus? superman. who created superman? an intelligent shade of blue. who created... etc etc.) Note how you mocked the original question by putting random stuff you made up in place of God, just like I said. random stuff i made up? EXCUSE ME. please dont insult my religious beliefs. like the greeks which had many followers or the norsic religion which had many follows or the egyptian religion which had many followers, my polytheistic belief contains many gods begetting each other. just like zeus pulled a god from his thigh, the all knowing unicorn used its laser vision to craft the magic hamster from magic space crystal who in turn created god from its shed fur.
talking snake still trumps this IMO.I am also well aware that most of the things there were not actually made up by you, and am also aware that you listed the J-man in there and will no doubt be tempted to suggest that I am saying that he is 'made up', so now you don't need to waste time pulling at that thread. Semantics is boring. That is what I was referring to, not the actual scientific content of your posts. Do try to keep up. im sorry, but surely you should have known about the all knowing unicorn, wisest of the gods. do try to keep upRouthy wrote: Perhaps the specific Gods, but nobody on Earth can disprove the presence of a higher power, more intelligent being, whatever you want to call it. unfortunately the onus is on you. anyone who has googled "burden of proof" for a meagre 8 seconds would know that the positive claim must be given supporting evidence. not the negative claim. you can no more disprove god then you can disprove leprechauns. im just saying, leprechauns must exist Edit* its felt like ages since i whipped out the green <3
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Post subject: Re: Who Created God? Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:28 pm |
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Routhy wrote: Perhaps the specific Gods, but nobody on Earth can disprove the presence of a higher power, more intelligent being, whatever you want to call it. Equally, nobody on Earth can disprove the existence of the Magical Flying Teapot that is currently orbiting the Sun. Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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