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Who's in the wrong?
Admin Joe 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Moderator Routhy 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Cheaters 92%  92%  [ 11 ]
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 Post subject: Who's Getting Paid?
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:33 am 
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Well to start off, I've got a moderator sending me responses from a PM I sent to an admin due to the M3 bans now I'm not that intelligent but I do know when some crap is going on.

I send a PM to Joe along the lines of "Why is Rildor getting his ban revoked after a simple 72 hours is it because he's a donator?" I get a response from Routhy about it (nothing from Joe) and he responds with this:

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donation did not come into the unbans - rildor's got reverted because I argued his case to Joe (Even though I hate him, I believed him and I believe in justice)

If you can show me something that contradicts Rildor's story, I'd be glad to hear it.

Now again I'm not a rocket scientist but why is a moderator doing an admins work and why is the mail I sent Joe deleted from my out box all of a sudden and why is Routhy responding to a mail he was never involved with in the first place?

He then sent me this after I asked why he is contacting me about this when it's the admins job:

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I have direct contact with all of the admins, I argued Rildor's case to have his ban shortened and if I believe he was lying to me I can have it reinstated.


Why does a mod have the authority to lengthen or shorten a permanent ban?

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Here's one bit of evidence, Dommy unknowing that I'd post this on forum said him and Rildor were doing this for multiple rounds ever since NC released and as Simmen even said if you've played over 2 years you know the
damn rules and shouldn't be breaking them yet he comes up with and excuse:
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i woud like to ask why i am perm banned for sending a friend resources once? i was meant to play with him, but i canceled, so before i left i sent him my resources of course.. why waste them? others actuly resource farm all the way through rounds on multiple servers. i am perm banned for this? you guys are complaining about money issues and your banning your supporters and not banning your non supporters that actully abuse? i am writing this to ask to remove the perm bann. as i have done nothing wrong.

He's a donator, I understand you get special rights as I'd expect some being one as well but to sit there and use it as an excuse and say you did nothing wrong after saying you helped farm for him. Come on now.
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OK so you quiet the game gave him all your resoucres... made the account to give to him theresouces... quite the game let him conquer you... Why not simple delete, go on vacation if you thought you might come back... instead you allowed him, A known cheater before do this

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Slaps on teh wrist and saying dont do it again it not working for these people... Its time i put my foot down on the situation... TO much time got exploited and majority of the people knew what was going on...

You slapped their wrist again and let them off the hook you say no more petty cheating and you go against your own words.

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If you have any more issues with me on the issue... please private msg me

I did private message you back and you ignored me and a moderator messages me back after a day and a half saying he does your job for you. This is complete crap. I've never liked Joe and having a moderator do your work and have control over the game flow is complete crap, I expect Andrew and Michael to review this and fix the flaws in the staff.

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hell is a moderator doing admin work, he's no staff he's doing volunteer work and he has authority over the game, mods only got power to check ban lengths not alter them this game just lost a whole lot of cred from me, I'll follow Cruz's path and just quit giving a damn. This whole ban just proves *removed* you can get away with anything you want.

Never again will you get a payment from me, and expect me to cheat in the future if the bans aren't turned permanent.


Edit - You're full of crap Routhy, you and Rildor are friends how many eras have you played together? This is complete crap and every player would agree after seeing this crap. Moderators doing admin work after an admin refuses to do his duty.

Edit by Andrew: I removed the profanity from your post, I understand you are upset about this situation but screaming profanities will do nothing but discredit you, please keep it clean.

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 Post subject: Re: Who's Getting Paid?
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:05 am 
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Here are my TOTALLY UNBIASED views:

1. Rildor and Routhy have NEVER been friends. Even as BD players they have been the worst of enemies on every era they play. It was pretty unbiased of Routhy to look at Rildor as just another player and process the ban issue. That is how it should be. Mods and admins act as referees who are supposed to be neutral to both parties. Routhy fulfilled that responsibility by looking beyond their personal issues.

2. I can vouch for a fact that Rildor is ANTI-FARM. I have witnessed players asking for farms and Rildor has vehemently denied it. I firmly believe that the only reason dommy says he and rildor had a "so called farming relationship" is because Dommy has a habit of forcing the farm issue on players. He can get persuasive at times and I have seen that.

3. It IS possible for an Admin to delegate certain powers to senior Moderators. I'm not sure how this works....BUT...BUT...BUT...IF a moderator is being given such powerful responsibilities, I do believe that he/she should NOT be allowed to play on that server as a BD Player.

4. ULTIMATE ISSUE - The ultimate issue which we have been dealing with here are now "Repeat Offences". Rildor, Kodak and other players were one off farms for dommy.
But on the contrast, analyse Dommy's gameplay -
A. Openly does this EVERY era; gets temp banned every era
B. Admits that he gives a damn about this game and if he's caught
C. Comes out on forums and taunts other alliances for farming/multiing etc.

Now contrast the severity of the case between Rildor/Kodak and that of Dommy. In the spirit of things....it was appropriate of the Admins to come out and consider Rildor and Kodak as one-off or "less frequent cases". The only reason why Dommy is perma banned is because his flouting of the rules was OPEN, FLAGRANT AND IN-YOUR-FACE type of cheating.

4. DGAF/Anarchy or Vince = I used to take pride in once saying that I was the one that found you and discovered your talent. I don't know how this is happening but your image is really going for a toss my friend:
Why critisize Admin Joe publicly and with so many remarks as CENSORED? Is it that hard to keep your composure or cool? How can you feel so STRONGLY about this issue specially when you and Rildor have never played a full era on the same server..

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 Post subject: Re: Who's Getting Paid?
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:36 am 
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I dislike how this moderator has the authority to change ban lengths on his own, delete my mail I sent to the admin and respond to it while the admin simply ignores me, a player of the server he plays on.

As for what you said about Routhy, he's on this server playing, probably not as active as he normally would be but he is actually playing on this server.

Again, like I had mentioned in another thread Dommy was no leader of this alliance for M3 this era he was just there to make the alliance until Cruz logged on and it lasted maybe a duration of 12 ticks in that time he used the farms and anyone on this roster can vouch that Rildor was never planned to join the team, maybe a ploy by him to get Rildor to join the world then quit. Either way he farmed and admitted to it then denied he did anything wrong.

I refuse to accept the fact that something I'm paying for can be corrupt, a moderator having admin powers shouldn't be allowed period and where is Joe at anyways he ignored the PM that he asked to get forwarded to him rather than the ban and appeals page where it was in open discussion and let Routhy, a moderator, a player on this server completely uninvolved in the whole ordeal, decide what happens.

I've played 2 rounds with Rildor so far all the way till the end so that's incorrect. He's played this game for years, he knows the rules and he knows Dommy and the struggle he goes through cheating and the constant bans he knew better not to farm for him yet he did anyways. As you say the reason why Dommy is perm banned which I refuse to defend his case since I know he earned the permanent, why is Spartacruz staying perm? Hmm. Rildor, Knights, and Kodak deserve same punishment as my two team mates suffered and that's the bottom line.


By the way, Simmen founded me. He simply introduced us and we became good friends.

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 Post subject: Re: Who's Getting Paid?
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:50 am 
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Lol this is such bull dude. You know Rildor got a fair punishment. The farmer should get a perma ban and the farms should get a temp ban. I’m good friends with Rildor and we have a very long history, going all the way back to the old client on E7 and i can honestly say Rildor would never agree to cheat. Not on purpose at least.

Now I also know Routhy and Rildor really do dislike each other. But i know Routhy and I know he’s a stand up guy when it comes to doing the right thing. He put aside their differences and made a decision based on facts and not based on favouritism in anyway. In other words he did his job to the T.

Now my question is why are you getting into this, you’re not involved in any way. Admin Joe made a ruling on this and you should respect it.

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 Post subject: Re: Who's Getting Paid?
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:53 am 
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Lol this is such bull dude. You know Rildor got a fair punishment. The farmer should get a perma ban and the farms should get a temp ban. I’m good friends with Rildor and we have a very long history, going all the way back to the old client on E7 and i can honestly say Rildor would never agree to cheat. Not on purpose at least.

Now I also know Routhy and Rildor really do dislike each other. But i know Routhy and I know he’s a stand up guy when it comes to doing the right thing. He put aside their differences and made a decision based on facts and not based on favouritism in anyway. In other words he did his job to the T.

Now my question is why are you getting into this, you’re not involved in any way. Admin Joe made a ruling on this and you should respect it.

Joe did no ruling, he said he'd punish them no more smacking the hands it's time to end the cheating and said if there are any problems message him which I did right away and got a mail from a moderator. Routhy decided the length not Joe.

My team mate got a permanent for doing the same thing as Rildor, Knights, and Kodak and they get off free slate but he doesn't. Of course this involves me he's a team mate and the ruling isn't fair.


Edit - As for another way of showing him being an elaborate farm he chose a random misleading in-game name when we all decided on using our real in-game names at beginning.. So if he truly WAS on the roster he'd of known rather than making a farm name such as this:
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 Post subject: Re: Who's Getting Paid?
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 5:55 am 
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dude ? This better not be numair. I am a good friend with rildor ?? omg you cant be friend with an backstabbing cheating person like him that convience others to leave and conquer the alliance they just were in. And rildor deserves what he gained. He said i joined the alliance and i decided to quite so i gave him ressources and left the alliance. This is not allowed.

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 Post subject: Re: Who's Getting Paid?
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:16 am 
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Moderators have no direct ability to modify any game bans and only head mods have the ability to ban on the forums(Which also affects game access).

I haven't spoken to Joe yet about this but I will when I can today to find out what happened with this situation and either myself or Joe will post a reply.

The mods cannot have a ban changed whenever they wish, but as players themselves can do they can present a case as to why they feel a ban should be changed. In most cases the original ban sticks and we don't alter it but if a good enough argument is presented we may alter a ban and in this case it looks as though Routhy presented a good enough case to Joe that he felt the original ban was too much.

Mods cannot see the private messages of another person on the forum so I'm not sure why Routhy was seemingly replying to your messages and can only assume that in their conversation the PM from you came up. This definitely seems to have been handled poorly and before I say anything else I'll be talking to Joe to clarify the situation as I was not involved in this in anyway and have 0 information beyond this thread.

Please be patient anarchy69 and also mind the profanity, just because you are upset doesn't mean you are going to get a free pass on language.

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 Post subject: Re: Who's Getting Paid?
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:20 am 
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That's fine, made sure I didn't bypass the filter, anger is gone now though just frustrated at the circumstances.

Edit - Now my first post just looks completely bad. . . Like a rainbow almost can someone add some yellow and maybe purple?

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 Post subject: Re: Who's Getting Paid?
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:31 am 
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I've gotta agree with andrew on this one...

The change of ban lengths was probably ok, simply because i know that there was a lot of discussion between joe, rildor, and routhy about the situation... I had sent a message to Joe via PM on the forums to see if i could render assistance, but i never got a reply.
Later on, in msn, both rildor and routhy had told me that they had talked with joe and gotten the ban shortened.... which due to the circumstances, i can understand why.

The one point that concerns me that anarchy brought up, is that Routhy was able to reply to a message that was sent to joe.... this could have simply been forwarded to routhy, seeing as he was one of the primary arguers for the banned people, and joe felt the need to show it to him, but i agree that there should have been some discretion when handling PM privacy.

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 Post subject: Re: Who's Getting Paid?
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:39 am 
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i completely agree with psycho on this... i have known dommy for years... ever since i started the BFPT empire with him... back then it was USMC... i decided to quit because i found out he farmed and openly asked me if i had friends who would make farms for him... i am glad he is finally perma banned, but on the case with rildor/kodak i personally know that Rildor will never cheat at this game, he is 100% anti cheat


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