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Should donators have atvantages over other players?
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 Post subject: Re: Should Donators Have Atvantages Over Regular Players?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:37 pm 
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I disagree with this as well, if you are a supporter and you get more advantages than regular members, that isn't fair at all. The regular members wouldn't be happy, and donators would think that they could "take a foot when offered and inch".

I'm not good at explaining things so if I'm not clear, sorry. :roll:

Oh and also, I don't wanna get off topic but I have actually read the rules and terms and what not. One of the few people who do. So if you're not sure what something means you can ask me.

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 Post subject: Re: Should Donators Have Atvantages Over Regular Players?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:56 pm 
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Let me first say that Andrew takes on average a week to reply to anything. That's not very good in my opinion. I sent him messages almost 3 weeks ago now, and still have had no reply.

This is the rule you say I have broken

2.2.1. Farming: Participate in any activity within Services for the sole purpose of gaining Game Resources, without participating in actual gameplay; and/or acquiring Game Resources in order to sell them to other Users in exchange for cash, payment or other benefits; establishing Users for the sole purpose of transferring Game Resources to Your other accounts. You shall not solicit or endorse any 3rd party to participate in Services in order to convey Game Resources to You.

I did NOT break that rule, as obscure as it is. It seems to me the key here is "without participating in actual gameplay". My question is, How do any of you know what my intentions were? No one asked me, it had only been a couple days of inactivity, and if you check my other accounts right now or even at the time you'll see that M2 is my only active world. How can I be banned for something you "think" I'm doing, without any proof. There is no proof because in this instance you cannot know what my intentions were, I was never asked. It was "assumed" that's what I was doing .. how is that even legal?

Let me finish this by saying that the whole "ban appeals" thing is a joke and seriously flawed. How many people actually visit the forums, or even know of its existence? How many people are even bothered to stand up and fight back? Most people just walk away, not wanting to be bothered with fighting the system. I'm stubborn to a fault, else I would not still be here fighting for what I know is right.

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 Post subject: Re: Should Donators Have Atvantages Over Regular Players?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:05 pm 
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ok well in my opinion,

You DO NOT need to pay to be succesfull skill always comes first Donateing is only deadly if its a great pllayer doing so, I know that cause I finished somewhere between rank 8-10 on F1 (waiting for resaults to be posted)
However a bit of extra ressources definitly helps a ton I know last time I spent blue tokens I demolished the begining of a round so if I had red tokens...

I would be interested to see a round with no donations at the begining of a round (first 200 ticks?) , because the change in selling protection does without a doubt give donators a massive advantage
(donators can actualy build troops and attack at the start)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:28 pm 
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zudamar, this is discussion for donators getting other atvantages not how good people can be without donations.
also from my point of view peaches case kinda lay in the grayzone, and after talking to others i see that there are things to be inproved in the rules department

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Hey again, Peaches.

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Let me first say that Andrew takes on average a week to reply to anything. That's not very good in my opinion. I sent him messages almost 3 weeks ago now, and still have had no reply.


Andrew sends his apologies to anyone he hasn't been able to get to. He's had some difficult personal issues and has done his best to get to what he can. Your ban [should be] over by now? If it's not, I'll pass it on to be resolved.

I cannot comment on your particular case outside of the ban note, that being:
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Placing a colony for the sole benefit of another alliance, spamming an alliance, etc. while not playing the round yourself is against the rules.


I just wished to note that we do, infact, have a clearly defined set of rules and that doing that is against it. I do not know your circumstances, and hence don't know your intention or what led Andrew to suspicion.

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et me finish this by saying that the whole "ban appeals" thing is a joke and seriously flawed. How many people actually visit the forums, or even know of its existence?


Actively use? Not as much, but know of it's existence? A large majority. It's not exactly kept quiet, and most people would have heard of it from someone or another. There was also a mass message when the [ban appeals] board was released to ensure that as many people knew as possible about the forums. I repeat, this is also not the only way to contact an administrator. Email addresses are readily avaliable for the administrators.

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 Post subject: Re: Should Donators Have Atvantages Over Regular Players?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:40 pm 
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zudamar, this is discussion for donators getting other atvantages not how good people can be without donations.
also from my point of view peaches case kinda lay in the grayzone, and after talking to others i see that there are things to be inproved in the rules department


to sum up what I said

yes they get advantage
but skill is directly linked to how much of an advantage they get

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you shuld try to read all that have been said before u, it will really help in a discussion =P

this is in cases of banns, if they shuld get contacted or so on, but this is going off topic

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:53 pm 
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the thing is that supporters shouldn't get advantages over other players. the problem that happened was because of a misunderstanding. all players that are being suspicious should get talked to before being banned (supporter or not) just because someone makes an account on another world does that mean they have to be there for the whole round why would someone be banned for joining a world then being inactive. this whole thing seems messed up to me. the admins need to ask the "suspicious person before banning that is my opinion. and if it takes a week for a response from an admin shouldn't that tip that shows up when ur loading battle dawn be changed from "the admin should answer you within 24 hours." to whenever they get to it. 1 week seems a little too much to not be answered. if this is true.

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Well, in some cases this is a YES, and some a NO.

The situation with Peaches...is what I'd say as a yes, because the worst thing of it ALL was the timing of the situation which was just wrong.

I honestly think if you have to ban someone...go ahead...but when it's unclear or when things are happening in-game a ban even a small one can get worse then it already is.

Well..I don't know if that makes any sense... :x

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While I agree that supporters and non supporters alike should have a say before being banned in questionable cases, I would think the sheer volume of that would require more then one person to deal with it properly. Maybe I'm wrong but my own personal experience with how slowly the system is already working speaks volumes.

Hire or assign a person(s) to deal directly with questionable bans, Make this a supporter "feature" if you will, or make it for everyone but please make it happen. What happened with me cannot be undone, but hopefully with me standing up against it, I can prevent it from happening again to someone else. This whole round is a loss for me and my alliance, and has left me with such a bad taste that I'm not sure I'll ever want to even play again. I have to wonder how many other people have similar stories to mine and they just walked away instead of fighting. I must say it doesn't seem worth the headaches that I've gotten because of it all. I know of a few people who have quit because of this happening to me, and they are supporters, good players, good people.

I understand that Andrew is having some personal issues, I'm not trying to make things harder for him. However, he does have a job to do here, and if there are things preventing that from happening then perhaps he should step down for a time, or step back a little and lessen his responsibilities. This is his job, I know if I were not doing my job I would be fired, or given some serious time off.

Steven to answer you, yes the ban was only 48 ticks, however the timing of it was that it lost our alliance the whole round. Everything we've worked for for months .. gone. Like I said before, none of this can be undone. What I want is for things to change so people can stop leaving Battledawn for stupid misunderstandings such as what has happened with me. Change is needed here, I think we can all agree on that ;)

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