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Should donators have atvantages over other players?
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 Post subject: Should Donators Have Atvantages Over Regular Players?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:08 am 
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Ok, in some situations lately some have expressed that donators should have "more rights" or be over the other players, in bans and other issues.

This topic were made to discuss this, I've added a poll to see peoples opinions on this, but it would also be good to express your opinion trough a post for discussion.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:58 am 
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No i do not think Donaters should have additional advantages over regular players; like it says in the rules and regulations - if you cheat and your a donater you will receive the same consequences as if you weren't a donater, you will not be treated differently just because you donate as you did not abide with the Battle Dawn "terms and conditions" (in other words) "fairly".

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:32 am 
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Im a donator and I dont think thats fair at all. you have to pay to get good? Well people are already abusing the boosts... So no terrible idea! lol sorry simmen but that is a terrible idea.

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there is a reason why this is in discussion and not in suggestion for the moment, if it get alot of votes on the other hand i'll pm it to a admin to check it.

reason is that it were discussed in other topics going off topic

and son, they don't think they shuolden't get banned, but talked to first, do you think that is so wrong?

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Supporter packages only influence in-game things, and only for the supporter packages' actual amount.

I've seen a lot of people who have been caught cheating using the excuse "But i'm a supporter" - it's not a valid one. We treat all players, regardless of supporter status the same when it comes to anything except giving them the bonuses they have paid for.

You pay for 3,000 metal. You get 3,000 metal. We thank you for supporting Battle Dawn but we don't give you anything else.

This definitely happens at the moment and, in my opinion, this is good. Allowing people to cheat because they pay money is barely any different to taking bribes. We do not do either.

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i just got to state that i'm against them having atvantages because this one is gone sound pro that, but thats because the other side haven't arived yet xD

and btw. please don't vote without a post, it's the posts that matter not the votes ;)


but ok, the donators are running bd by paying the cash in addition to payment from ads (around 2000$ a month). i don't say they shuld get away with cheating, that would be TOTALY wrong, what they have asked is for them admin to talk to them, check with them any information that would come up in a bann appeal later, for them and the admin to save time

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Just out of the question: I myself is a donater too

Battle Dawn is a "Free" Online Multiplayer Game why should you get a different treatment of discussing your "consequences" that you received for not abiding the rules, Admins are very skilled in their professions and very busy and wouldn't need to take their time off scale to converse with those that they banned instead to just state in the "banned" members "topic" of appealing what they did wrong and how long they are banned for. If a full explained appeal is completed by the banned member then it will be progressed to the Admin that banned them and they will take a look at it and decide if it should get resolved or not.

Yes there are a lot of donaters and the majority of banned members are donaters but giving them an additional right of justify is not fair plus it will just take a huge amount of the Admin's time to converse with each and one of them.

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These replies are a little mind boggling .. First of all .. all these people saying supporters expecting to get away with cheating .. you're totally missing the point of this. The thing is not people "getting away with cheating" but first being given a chance to explain their situation. As a supporter, who makes the game free for everyone else, this is a consideration that should be extended to them. Perhaps for situations that are NOT clearly defined in the rules, a written warning would be sufficient, and if that person repeats the offense, then be punished with a ban. For all you people ready to jump through your screen and down my throat, remember I said "for situations that are NOT clearly defined in the rules". I was banned for something that is NOT in the rules but actually is a "loophole" .. tell me how that is fair...

The rules and regulations in this game are NOT clearly stated. I'm sorry but this is a game and games should have clearly stated and easy to find rules. There needs to be clear rules and definitions of those rules in place for there to be any true kind of punishment system. Not a bunch of "loopholes" that make people "guess" at whether its right or wrong.

For those of you saying it would be too much work, well guess what? People can be hired to help with that .. like I've mentioned elsewhere there should be a proper HR department. Since this is essentially a business an HR department is necessary. These things all need to be dealt with better then they are now, you can't disagree with me there, unless you've been lucky to never need an admin for anything :roll:

I'd like to add here that this is a game made possible in large part by the supporters. If those supporters feel as though they are not being treated properly, they will no longer be supporters. That one supporter has connections to many people, with many implications, whether it be to encourage new supporters or discourage supporting. That one supporter can have a positive impact or a negative one, on the overall success or fall of the game. I hear BD has been suffering financially recently, that for the last year or so numbers have been falling. I'm guessing there are many people who have become "ex-supporters" (should be a support group for us).

Its good business sense to make your customers happy, second in importance to great employees. I'm not saying to let supporters away with cheating, I'm saying they should be allowed a voice before the big bad ban hammer comes down on them. There are "gray area's" in the rules and regulations, "loopholes" that are not fully explained anywhere. Supporters should be given the opportunity to tell their side about these "gray area" situations before being banned.

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btw. this is not really based on any cases, it's just in general.
so please don't feel it pointed at you peaches.
as for the rules i'm looking at it now, and if u look better at the rules (your kinda suposed to have read all, but no one does) you find one about loopholes, and that if you find one u should report it to admin.

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 Post subject: Re: Should Donators Have Atvantages Over Regular Players?
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These replies are a little mind boggling .. First of all .. all these people saying supporters expecting to get away with cheating .. you're totally missing the point of this. The thing is not people "getting away with cheating" but first being given a chance to explain their situation.


The "Getting away with cheating" is one situation, used as an example.

The "explaining of your situation" is available to everyone, and quite rightly so, here or you can email your server's admin.

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For all you people ready to jump through your screen and down my throat, remember I said "for situations that are NOT clearly defined in the rules". I was banned for something that is NOT in the rules but actually is a "loophole" .. tell me how that is fair...


I have looked at your warnings, and the reason you were banned is covered in the rules. You can find the rules here - the rule 2.2.1 covers your situation.

The rules are quite clearly laid out at this URL - which you agreed to when you registered. Not knowing the rules is no excuse: If you don't understand a specific rule, please say, any of the staff will be happy to assist you.

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For those of you saying it would be too much work, well guess what? People can be hired to help with that .. like I've mentioned elsewhere there should be a proper HR department. Since this is essentially a business an HR department is necessary.


Andrew is the community manager, I and my fellow mods are available for queries like this. As already mentioned, there is already a forum for requesting a ban repeal.

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I'd like to add here that this is a game made possible in large part by the supporters. If those supporters feel as though they are not being treated properly, they will no longer be supporters.

I totally agree with you. Supporters generously allow the game to continue in exchange for in-game advantages. We thank you, and every supporter who helps us, however small for helping us to continue running what we obviously believe is a great game, and hopefully you do too. We aim to offer a high level of administrative assistance and aid to anyone who asks, regardless of whether they are a paying member. Naturally, in some cases we slip, and I apologise if you or anyone else reading has had a bad experience. Giving priority to supporters will only make people who do not support disillusioned.

I understand your concerns, but I don't believe an additional advantage to supporters in this regard would be counterproductive. Also, people are given ample opportunity to repeal any claims they think are unjust. I'm not denying that mistakes are made, we are human. We just hope to rectify them in the best possible way.

Any enquiries, feel free to reply or PM me.
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