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chad_j93 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:20 pm

routhy . the bane certainly DID NOT state i would be unbanned by contacted an admin

it said . claiming to be a multi .... lets see what he ahs to say

how does that clearly say upon conatacting an admin i will be unbanned . to me it seems like hes trying to pull some kind of joke of his own

who in their right mind would out right admit to being a multi . and obviously if joe had looked into my account it is obvious i am not a multi .

the facts here is admins should not ban without a proper investigation and or solid proof

the fact i lost 2 days playing time and a bunch of conquer + income on " is multiple worlds because of an admins so called " slip up is wrong isnt it?

this is a company if people make mistakes they should confront their probelm . as of yet i havnt got a reply from a admin about anything lol

lets give u a scenerio .

i walk into a resteraunt and order a soup . the soup comes and i see a hair in my soup . i call the waiter and tell him . he apoligises and fixes the problem and most times gives the soup for free for the inconvenience

battle danw style . someone has a problem with their account ( soup ) and contacts the admin . the admin ignores ihm completely and talks through his moderaters instead of conatcting me directly ... after a long wait i get my account back which was totaly screwd up during the wait ( soup is half full ) and the admins dont give me anything to compensate my losses
nor ven a apology

ok so the admins can mess up their jobs are hard . but they can at least acknowledge they messed up and help the player out instead of ignoring the problem

( my scenrio might not make sense i am falling asleep typing but w/e )

so yeah i loose alot because of a admins stuff up and i cant get an apoligy for it . which is bad customer service really . hehe

all the lost stuff ingame should be enough to get my soup for free or maybe some tokens to help recover the lost due to admins . but for some reason i dont see it happening lol

as i said im dead tired so if this makes no sense then im sorry

javierbs · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:27 pm

Seth wrote:

This is rediculous.

I dare one more person to post here. You want to see a corrupt admin passing out bans willy nilly?

Ill give it to ya!

Supporter or not, everyone gets the same treatment.

Most multi accounts are warned before they are banned. If this is not the case, you were either farming, or blatantly making multiple accounts without regards to the rules.

It is YOUR responsability to read the terms and conditions you agreed to when creating your account! Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for breaking them.

And you know, there is always some guy who is going to wag his finger and claim that admins are corrupt.

It has been my experience that the guys who make the biggest public fuss are the ones who are the biggest rule breakers! And in this case, I am willing to bet this one is no different! What is more, you are all starting to piggy back this movement with the rule breaker! What does that say about you?

Blame joe? Dude, how many of you know how many hours Joe works every day at his day job? How many of you know how ill he was last month? How many of you know how ill his son was all year??!

How many of you big men out there know what the root word of 'assume' is?

Because you are all making that word out of yourselves by coming here and claiming that admins are corrupt! You dont even know how good you have it!
How many games do you know of where you have an admin that is attainable? How many games do you know of that have someone on-hand regulating the rules EVERY DAY, and that you can talk to without submitting a ticket and hoping for an eventual response?

Yeah, I get those guys who get banned and complain and complain and treat us like we dont know what we see!

I had one just today who had the same theme in his emails across 4 accounts (name@aol, name@gmail, etc etc) and he is spam emailing me with obscenities as we speak.

So ask yourself. How much do you know about the ban for the guy who started this thread?! Hmm. And how do you know it was an unjust ban?
And on that note, how the hell can you come in here on the back of that crap and wag your fingers too"??! What does that say about you?

I mean, I am willing to bet that everyone here who is making a big stink has broken the rules and been banned. OF COURSE everyone is going to claim they are innocent or whatever, but if it was the other way around and some guy was using multis to spam attack you, you would be the first to whine and moan that we weren't acting fast enough!

So STOW IT!

I am not going to stand for this, and I am warning you right now! TREAD LIGHTLY!

Am I claiming that admins are infallible? No. You cant blame old client cases on the admins, as the tools we had then were primitive and inaccurate. We just didnt have the power we have now to track what happens in an account, so you cant start bringiong crap a year old into this thread and call it corruption.

Admins can make mistakes, and I have made one or two, but it is usually because of a bug or an oversite out of my control, and Ill be the first to admit when it happens! AND I usually compensate for any losses incurred on my behalf.

If you are being ignored by an admin, there is only one explanation. YOU were a blatant cheater and the admin is not going to dignify your lack of respect for his abilities with a response. Just like that guy I mentioned earlier. He is going to claim every excuse in the book, coupled with various names and obscenities. I will ignore him until he fesses up and says "Hey, I am sorry I made multi accounts. I would like "X" account unbanned, leave the rest banned and I promise I wont do it again."

Next time you find yourself being ignored by an admin who multi-banned you. Try that before you want to come into this community and claim that the admins are stupid, incompetent and dont know what they are doing.

For the part of blaming joe, I think you referred to me, I really wasn't blaming him, and I am sorry if I gave that impression. Here we have some of the best admins in the whole internet. I was just actually curious about how the ban things work. I am very sorry for any impression I actually gave. I don't know the rest of people in this thread, but I have played quiet a few games in the internet, and I know you guys are awesome. Keep up the good work!

chad_j93 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:29 pm

sorry for double posting but it seems admins have come to party

ok firstly seth . dont call me the biggest rule breaker . i play this game fairly and i win fairly

did u not see the reason i was banned . it did not violet one rule in the terms of services and was not vulgar not nothing ok buddy

the ban was clearly unfair . the fact joe hasnt yet replied to me but found the time to lift the ban half way through just hours after talking to me through a mod saying he will not lift it shows something is up

you admins do a good job most of the time . but lately u guys have just been dishing out a bunch of wild and ludicris bans on innnocent players . power PMS or soemthing i dont know

but so far the mods helped me as much as possible and i was told by around 5 mods on msn it was the funniest and most stupidest ban they had seen so far .

so calling me the major rule breaker and so on is just not nice .

as for joe's personal life i obviously know nothing about but if we want im sure all of us have some sad stories to throw out ? i buried my grandfather on christmas eve, my grandmother is very sick and doesnt have long - we all have issues in our personal lives but u have to keep it away from your profesional life dont you
. i too work my ass off and battledawn is my leisure time . which i pay to play majority of the time being unfairly banned then after 2 days not getting a reply from the banning admin was really frustrating .

more and more people conatcted me and joined my frustration thus this thread was born to voice our opinions

so why cant u guys just admit you are wrong some of the time and be more helpful to the players you rip off and ruin their leisure time ?

End Of All · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:36 pm

Seth he made a joke and got reported and banned I see no were in the rules about not jokeing with other players... Go ahead bann us for telling the truth when we did nothing wrong or broke no rules... Seth you are proofing our point an Admin is snapping rather than listening to good players... who have supported you for years... and I don't mean just with money

Cerebral Assassin

Seth · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:39 pm

Long posts...Im not going to read them all, I simply dont have the time.

Chad...You claimed to be a multi. Thats your fault! If it were the other way around, and some dude did this to you, You would want action! Not later, not 3 days later...right then and there! Confessions a confession!

Because if NOTHING happened here, the guy whom you sent said message to would have come here and claimed corruption. You put the admin in a position to freeze your account by banning and THEN investigating. Had you not pulled your little stunt, it would have been the other way around.

THOSE ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS!

Thats your canoe, you carved it and you had to row it! Now, to come here and wag your fingers in our faces for the consequences of your own actions is rediculous, unfair, and disrespectful to the already thankless job we have to do. ANd yes, it ticks me off! Because it was YOU who put Joe in that position, not the other way around!

Its not a joke dude. Its fact! You are thinking on a small scale as a player. As an admin, NOT taking action would have had a ripple effect. Likely that the player whom you told you were a multi would have taken screens of your message and brought them to the forum and complained that the admins were corrupt because they DIDNT ban you!

You force an admins hand, and then complain because he acted!

if someone simply reported you as a multi without such a confession, the admin would have investigated you, and had he found nothing out of order, the report would have been closed, likely without you even knowing you were reported.

chad_j93 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:55 pm

seth . it was stated it was just a joke . and the player who i sent the message to was laughing at it as a joke . i think he just reported it to see if somnething would happen to me

and it doesnt matter what anyone says . im pretty sure you should not just instantly ban because someone claims to be a multi .and who in their right mind would claim to be a multi if they actually were one ? does not make sense

the fact is i was banned without any proof . its like someone going into the police station and saying " i broke a law " and the police hauling him away tp prison with out any trial or evidence that the law was even broken

its just not the right thing to do . just by loging in to my account and looking at my colonies on other servers it would have been far more then obvious that i was defeintly a legit player and not a 1 server colony multi

what we are saying here is admins should not ban without proof of anything happening or no rules being broken

if i say right now seth im a multi would u ban me again without first looking in to it ? is that how this game is run ?

as already stated by alex it seems their is a guilty until proven innocent mentality by the admins here

Seth · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:04 pm

No it is not how the game is run. But if the report was made and you made the confession, then Joe acted appropriately!

That is not Joes fault, joke or not, it is yours.

You can argue it any way you want, but the admin has to act on each situation accordingly. We get that report, and unless the player sends a message to the admin at the same time stating it is a joke, he has to treat it like a report.

Stop with this corruption crap! This is not the admin's fault, this is YOUR fault.
The admin acted on a confession like he is supposed to.

If there was no confession, the investigation would have come first. But because there was a confession first, the admin had to act first and investigate second.

Stop trying to blame the admin for doing his job and accept the responsibility for your own actions.

Steven · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:07 pm

Well, In a court of law...

Quote:

THE GENERAL RULE OF ADMISSIBILITY

The general rule is that a confession is admissible evidence against the person who made it, despite the confession being technically hearsay (s.76(1) PACE).

I'd say that you saying "I'm a multi" is pretty good evidence for you being a multi. And also, many actual multis DO say this. For a number of reasons:
-They're showing off; they don't think they'll get caught.
-They're talking to a member of their alliance; for example, arranging account sharing or farms.
-They don't think the person they tell will report them, so they might as well divulge...

Admittance of guilt is a pretty big piece of evidence towards guilt. In real life, you could use voice to portray the message as a joke, online it's not as easy. I understand your annoyance, but to claim that his actions were unreasonable is not valid.

End Of All · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:08 pm

but... he broke no rule... thats what I dont get cause... I dont see how he can be banned for that the admin should look into it... he shouldnt ban ASAP with just that message.... there was NO PROOF... not one shred... he just baned and then never responded

chad_j93 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:13 pm

lol so if someone confeses they are banned before it is actually checked out to see if it was legit?

as i said it is a guilty until proven innocent .

ill use another real life reference

man walks up to police . i murdered someone . he is executed then they begin a case to see if he did it or not ? and to find out if it was the truth he was speaking ?

i dno . but i didnt think it would be needed to tell the admin it was a joke because jsut by reading the messages it was quite clear

the fact remains the admin banned me when i didnt break any rules

the ban was unfair and you continue to defend it as a fiar ban seth . even tho the ban was lifted meaning joe saw he was wrong ? i dont know this entire situation is a mess

keep saying it is my fault . it is not . admins should not just ban without anything to back it up

this is the entire petition . u guys throwing bans around like they are free ice cream cones . instead of actually checking the validity of the report

the ban system needs to be worked on is what we are all trying to say

pettition against admin corruption