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 Post subject: Re: Obama's approval rating accoridng to gallop
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:08 am 
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Plotter wrote:
Ogabe is 50% white 25% Arab and 25% Black
While our Democrat leader Taliban Jack Layton is 55% Anti-Western Canada and 45% Commie


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Let me reiterate my point.

Who the eff cares?!

And for those who seriously do care, please go jump into the nearest ditch and lay there in the fetal position until you succumb to death.

On an honest note though, people really should just forget about race.

It isn't your color or even your gender that defines you, but rather the values and beliefs which you hold and act upon that make up your character.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:48 am 
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msomeoneelsez wrote:
Plotter wrote:
Ogabe is 50% white 25% Arab and 25% Black
While our Democrat leader Taliban Jack Layton is 55% Anti-Western Canada and 45% Commie


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Let me reiterate my point.

Who the eff cares?!

And for those who seriously do care, please go jump into the nearest ditch and lay there in the fetal position until you succumb to death.

On an honest note though, people really should just forget about race.

It isn't your color or even your gender that defines you, but rather the values and beliefs which you hold and act upon that make up your character.

a lot of people care, just as many people care about the skin colour of jesus. people like to be able to relate and if there are americans who did vote purely based on skin colour then that is a flaw of democracy that you can overlook.

on the plus side, obama NEVER emphasized his skin colour during the electoral process.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's approval rating accoridng to gallop
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:09 am 
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i know i started this with my post but this talk about not using race needs to stop

should we use race to affect our opinion of someone? no

will we let race affect our opinion of someone? yes

why? because we are human and thus imperfect and so long as we are different in anyway we will let those differences affect us

its sad that humans are this way but we need to accept it

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's approval rating accoridng to gallop
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:44 am 
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Bork had a point. Im African American myself. My main worry is that this presidency is just like the OJ case. When the jury said not guilty, black people all over america cheered. However they weren't cheering for OJ, they were cheering for Johnnie Cochran.

Anytime Obama is mentioned they think of him as the bright future of the US. Im forced to wonder if they would feel this way if he were a white man saying the same thing. I always just thought it was strange. My family are educated and intelligent people. My uncles are engineers who served in the Navy during vietnam. My aunts are accountants. To see them believe in someone with such fervor is disturbing to say the least. However as I've said before I have cautious optimism for the future.


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Ogabe is 50% white 25% Arab and 25% Black
While our Democrat leader Taliban Jack Layton is 55% Anti-Western Canada and 45% Commie



OMG, what is wrong with you conservatives. The moment you have a disagreement with someone you change their names thinking your doing something clever. Ogabe? Even I had enough respect to call Bush, Bush. You super conservatives are too busy refusing to acknowledge hes the president or even that he's an american. And Savage wonders why hes banned from the UK. If only they'd ban him from the US.


I would never apply the MLK speech to Obama. He's a politician. They only exist to keep themselves in office. The only politician who earned an MLK speech was JFK. Especially with the bullet in the back of the head thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama's approval rating accoridng to gallop
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:10 am 
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this is were the problem comes from a few people on both sides making generalizations about the other i am liberal (mostly sometimes it is better to be conservative) but many of my close friends are strong conservatives but they have enough respect to call him president obama. they don't dislike him just his policy and they do make good points so i don't like it when you generalize conservatives to make them look like the bad guys

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's approval rating accoridng to gallop
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:42 pm 
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So today i saw a pretty stupid rally outside my college.

posters said

"Obama is a nazi" they also did that Hitler mustache on him. funny but stupid. Here is another pic i found, couldn't get the mustache :(
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Seriously i think 90% of Americans are complete idiotic morons that need extreme Therapy. "please excuse my language i have no other way of explaining it".

So hes a communist, a socialist, then a Marxist, and finally hes now a Nazi.

I really hope people who have those comments are high on weed, are doing drugs or are just mentally challenged.

I don't know why obama is something new each couple of months.
I believe its idiotic what people have on their heads, it could also be the fact that they believe any racist idiot on tv.

I don't care what youre opinion is, but just stick with one thingt instead of coming up with idiotic Bs every effin month.

As for the rest who keep believing the media, go a mental hospital stick around there a few months maybe you'll get better.

Somethings are true, somethings are crap, and somethings are so beyond BS that who ever said it should just quit what they're doing and go to a mental hospital the rest of their lives.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama's approval rating accoridng to gallop
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:55 pm 
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mrducky wrote:
a lot of people care, just as many people care about the skin colour of jesus. people like to be able to relate and if there are americans who did vote purely based on skin colour then that is a flaw of democracy that you can overlook.


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i know i started this with my post but this talk about not using race needs to stop

should we use race to affect our opinion of someone? no

will we let race affect our opinion of someone? yes

why? because we are human and thus imperfect and so long as we are different in anyway we will let those differences affect us

its sad that humans are this way but we need to accept it


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I wonder, did people say the same thing about slavery back in the day before the civil war was even thunk up?

Seriously, I don't care who are you or what you do, if you see race as a defining factor in anything, then I believe you have a stupid opinion on whatever that anything is.

Why settle for being imperfect? Will we ever become perfect? Odds are highly against that, but does that mean we shouldn't strive for perfection?

What you are saying is a dismissal of improvement. I say that is a very dumb thing to do.

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OMG, what is wrong with you conservatives. The moment you have a disagreement with someone you change their names thinking your doing something clever. Ogabe? Even I had enough respect to call Bush, Bush. You super conservatives are too busy refusing to acknowledge hes the president or even that he's an american. And Savage wonders why hes banned from the UK. If only they'd ban him from the US.


1st off, don't ever start out that way again, people tend to take offense quite quickly, then tune out the rest of your statement :D

The name changing is just immature, and you should be happy they do it because it discredits the other side for you.

As for his status as an American citizen... well, I truly believe that question is a good one to ask. By our Constitution, only a natural born US citizen can be electable for President. All Obama needs to do to prove his legitimacy is to show his birth certificate. That has yet to be done. At this point I believe it is petty, the proof should have been presented while he was running, but now that he has been elected, that "damage" has been done, so I believe people should just get past it until he tries to get reelected.

Just try to remember that just because the opposing side says something you don't like, it doesn't mean they are wrong.

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I would never apply the MLK speech to Obama. He's a politician. They only exist to keep themselves in office. The only politician who earned an MLK speech was JFK. Especially with the bullet in the back of the head thing.


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on the plus side, obama NEVER emphasized his skin colour during the electoral process.


I put these two quotes together because they are really along the same exact lines.

To Sylis, being a politician is only having a title. Once again, this is a dismissal of improvement. Why should we expect for politicians to exist only for themselves? Is that how it is now? For the most part, that seems to be so, but once again, why settle for that?

To ducky, that is definitely true, and I give Obama props for that. The problem lies in the people, at least on this front.

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On a more personal note, I truly hope that people become more mature when it comes to politics. It may not be possible, but that doesn't mean I won't strive for perfection ;)

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Also, patzz just posted as I was writing this... heres my response to that.

That is exactly my point. Immaturity. I wish people would just grow up, stop attacking him by saying he's a nazi, etc.

As for your comments about believing racist people on tv, I am not entirely sure where you are going there. Explain?

But do not ever believe that the other side is the only one with problems. Just look at this healthcare reform thing... it is so ridden with problems, its not even funny.

Oh well... it all comes down to maturity. Well, a lot of it does anyways.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama's approval rating accoridng to gallop
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:25 pm 
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I know theres something that are bad, yet people don't directly attack that they just go with his racist or some other Bs.


3 guys have gotten kicked out of tv for inproper comments, the most recent guy was like last week, i think you could find it online. He lost all support from sponsors and a lot of stuff, there's only a couple of fans he has left, i'm pretty sure you can guess who they are.

I really should have been more detailed on that, anyways i'm busy studying to worry about it much.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:59 pm 
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msomeoneelsez i understand what you are trying to get at but so few people think that racism is a major issue today that no one tries to change and we will need some sort of major event to shock us into realising that there is a problem
if you want people to strive for perfection then it would have to be on a major scale

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:11 pm 
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bork9128 wrote:
msomeoneelsez i understand what you are trying to get at but so few people think that racism is a major issue today that no one tries to change and we will need some sort of major event to shock us into realising that there is a problem
if you want people to strive for perfection then it would have to be on a major scale


I disagree. I whole heartedly believe that race is still an issue on most American's minds, but most of those people are too busy sitting in wonderment at just how far the African Americans have come. Just look at the inauguration of Obama. Yes, it is a beautiful thing to say that we have our first black president. Huzzah! I truly am happy for that. But so many people there were hanging onto every single syllable that came out of Obama's mouth, many were crying tears of joy, etc.

And many people sitting at home watching were either laughing at those people (I know I was... it was more of a pity laugh though...) or they were just all out against Obama.

So once again though, why should we accept that the "majority" (whatever that is now...) is so focused on race? Why should we accept it when a politician brings race into the forefront by way of either flaunting it, or using sources that are associated with minority groups? I'm not saying Obama did that btw, he did a great job of not doing that.

Or better yet... why should we accept it when the media speaks about the election in terms of racial sub profiling? And yes, during this last election they all did it. I believe it was MSNBC which actually presented graphs of each race, and which way the exit polls were saying they voted.

Give me one good reason why we should accept these things.

And no, your current reasoning of the unwillingness of people to change is not a good reason. That is just admitting yourself to their system of discriminatory reasoning.

One last point though...
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if you want people to strive for perfection then it would have to be on a major scale

That is dead wrong. What is the driving force behind the US economy?

I can tell you for a fact, it isn't big business. No, not even Google.

Small business is where America succeeds, and those businesses have to strive for perfection in order to survive. That is one of the beautiful things about capitalism. Competition means that the best product/service wins. That is not big groups, instead it is small groups. 10-20 employees, working to achieve perfection, however unattainable it may be.


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