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 Post subject: Re: Legalization of Marijuana?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:21 pm 
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Well Legalization of Marijuana is like a counter-weight. Because Alcohol and Cigarettes cause more deaths than Marijuana and that what people are saying if Cigs and Alcohol is Legal then why not Marijuana, Right? If it gets legal should Cigs and Alcohol be illegal? But Alcohol and Cigs cause more death cause its legal but how about Marijuana? What if it gets legal? More Deaths, possibly riots, more fights, car crashes and more catastrophe. Its already at its best when Marijuana is Illegal, Why would we want to make it worse?


No no no, you miss the point it is proven that it has a less damaging effect/affect on your body than both, cigs and alcohol. If anything it would save lives and discourage use of the greater 2 of 3 evils :P

My response to possible driving fatalities:

Alright, if pot was just as legal and regulated similarly to alcohol which would you choose for your recreational drug of choice? Most would choose marijuana. Now these people that do choose marijuana are not 'new to the game' if you will, these people are smokers tokers and possibly alcoholics. To answer the question will the legalization/regularization of Mary Jane create more fatalities we must first ask which drug impairs your driving capability more? The answer is Alcohol and the science behind it is explained here:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... ohol_.html

So the point made that Weed will cause more road fatalities is FALSE

Hell it may save lives.

If you are really interested in this specific topic look here, this article comes from a more reliable source.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011 ... ing-drunk/

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 Post subject: Re: Legalization of Marijuana?
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Man. We should like totally legalize this like stuff. -cough- id vote for a maxium of 1 oz joint a day.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:19 pm 
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if pot was just as legal and regulated similarly to alcohol which would you choose for your recreational drug of choice? Most would choose marijuana.


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Now these people that do choose marijuana are not 'new to the game' if you will, these people are smokers tokers and possibly alcoholics.


Oh jake, please.. You're more intelligent than this. I expected better from you.


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization of Marijuana?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:18 am 
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Trend here is quite pro-marijuana, I will henceforth take up the anti-marijuana position for the remainder of this discussion.

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besides weed makes you feel happy that's why people smoke it (constatution does safe life, liberty, freedom, and pursuit of happieness) :)


So does heroin. For sadists, so does inflicting pain upon others. Practical viewpoint people. Im pretty sure legalizing heroin on the basis it makes you feel happy is not the way to go. Same cannot be said for marijuana. This applies to the "you are only hurting yourself".

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My response to possible driving fatalities:

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Hell it may save lives.
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No it wont, you want to know why? For the simple matter that you can check how "stoned" someone is. THD remains in a person's system long after the psychadelic effect has worn off. Would you put off driving for a month after a joint? Because that is the only way we have of testing THD right now, its presence in the human system which it can linger for weeks.

Alcohol has a very well determined half life and your body has very specific reactions to removing it from your blood stream via liver work, respiration (how breathalyzers work), etc.

Marijuana has none of the above, we can only test for its presence, testing for amount in the system is far too variable, so we have a bunch of stoners on the road with no way to prosecute them without prosecuting people who may have quit marijuana 3 weeks beforehand and smiling a little too much on the road because their favourite song is on the radio. Deaths on the road will increase due to lack of protection/litigation against marijuana users on the roads.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:02 pm 
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Jake wrote:
[11:31:37 PM] Jake: the original reason for the prison system
[11:31:44 PM] Jake: and police etc law enforcement
[11:31:54 PM] Jake: was to keep violent behavior away from the public
[11:32:03 PM] Jake: and keep people from infringing on others rights.
[11:32:39 PM] Jake: If weed was legalized it would be sold in a pharmacy people would never get weed laced and get addicted to pcp xD
[11:32:56 PM] Jake: A 100 billion dollar industry would no longer go to drug dealers
[11:33:02 PM] Jake: and instead create business
[11:33:08 PM] Jake: and expand the industry
[11:33:23 PM] Jake: we could us Hemp as a substitute for paper saving forests (more efficient)
[11:33:32 PM] Jake: the constitution is written on hemp. Also, taxing marijuana sales could bring in 5 billion a year to the govt.


cons of the usage of marijuana are de-personalization in some people depression and the smoke probably supports cancer. Those with heart problems have increased risk during usage.

With that being said Alcohol can damage new blood cells lowers blood flow to muscles killing muscle cells (including in the heart) damages liver has a long term affect on the central nervous system also has the affect of losing your personality in the short term you are more likely to injure yourself (same with weed) but the side effects of alcohol outweigh those of marijuana heavily. Why is it justified to have alcohol legal and not marijuana? (Or even why is it justified to have alcohol legal at all?)

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 Post subject: Re: Legalization of Marijuana?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:52 am 
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Hello's I play as Universal Fist on m3. I have epilepsy and smoking marijuana illegally is the only reason im not dead.(anti epileptic medications all have serious side effects with my body)


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I am truly sorry to hear that mate! I have a good friend who deals with severe epilepsy as well, and he is essentially in the same boat you are.

I watched my uncle Bobby die of AIDS back in the early 90's. It got to a point where the only way he could bring himself to eat was to use marijuana. It helped him substantially in the last 2 years of his life. His health improved for some time, as his nutrition naturally improved as a direct result from cannibis use. At that time, there was no such thing as legal use.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:48 am 
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Hello's I play as Universal Fist on m3. I have epilepsy and smoking marijuana illegally is the only reason im not dead.(anti epileptic medications all have serious side effects with my body)


THD extracts from marijuana without any of the buzz or side effects have been developed, would you still smoke?


Btw, for all. Relevant good news

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/politicsn ... ative-502/

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 Post subject: Re: Legalization of Marijuana?
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Some of the chemicals that save my life are the same ones that give me that "buzz" (CBD works as an anti convulsant)


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 Post subject: Re: Legalization of Marijuana?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:20 pm 
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Trend here is quite pro-marijuana, I will henceforth take up the anti-marijuana position for the remainder of this discussion.

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besides weed makes you feel happy that's why people smoke it (constatution does safe life, liberty, freedom, and pursuit of happieness) :)


So does heroin. For sadists, so does inflicting pain upon others. Practical viewpoint people. Im pretty sure legalizing heroin on the basis it makes you feel happy is not the way to go. Same cannot be said for marijuana. This applies to the "you are only hurting yourself".

Heroin also creates a severe addiction that few drugs can match, the side effects are horrible and the high is much MUCH MUCH stronger than that of Marijuana. Comparing the two is like comparing warm water and lava. The two substances are VERY much different.

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My response to possible driving fatalities:

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Hell it may save lives.
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I like how you skipped my main argument.

No it wont, you want to know why? For the simple matter that you can check how "stoned" someone is. THD remains in a person's system long after the psychadelic effect has worn off. Would you put off driving for a month after a joint? Because that is the only way we have of testing THD right now, its presence in the human system which it can linger for weeks.

I hope you know it's THC not THD. Also it is hardly Psychedelic but that is all opinionated. The half life of marijuana is hard to detect but the amount of THC in your blood and urine decreases quite a lot after a three day use. After legalization measures will probably be taken to fix this, directly after the prohibition of the 20's did they have breathalyzers? No. Time will work this out.

Alcohol has a very well determined half life and your body has very specific reactions to removing it from your blood stream via liver work, respiration (how breathalyzers work), etc.

Doesn't justify anything.


Marijuana has none of the above, we can only test for its presence, testing for amount in the system is far too variable, so we have a bunch of stoners on the road with no way to prosecute them without prosecuting people who may have quit marijuana 3 weeks beforehand and smiling a little too much on the road because their favourite song is on the radio. Deaths on the road will increase due to lack of protection/litigation against marijuana users on the roads.

I don't know if you read the article I posted or just didn't bother but it said in recent studies high drivers sometimes drove better high than sober. Deaths on the road would actually probably decrease.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/08/f ... -is-legal/

Read that article, so far it has been shown that drunk driving fatalities and road fatalities in general have gone down in recent years in states that allow medical marijuana and now in Colorado/Washington in the past few days.




Sure people smoke weed for the buzz btw, but at least cannabis can be medically significant. Let's compare to alcohol:

Mary Jane - Alcohol
Cancer fighting chemicals? Check Nope
Helps nausea? Check Nope
Helps Insomnia? Check Nope
Proven to kill brain cells? Nope Check

What I am trying to stress is that a change in recreational drug in the U.S and the World would be good!

    Less Alcohol poisoning
    Less Driving fatalities
    Less people in prison
    Less violence
    More freedom

Also, I just want to say again your connection in your statement above about Marijuana compared to opiates is just ridiculous. My mother was addicted to Opiates for years, whole different ball park bud. Really.

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