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 Post subject: Gun control?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:44 am 
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For a against gun regulation/banning and why?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control?
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I think it should be banned.

All it takes is for 1 nut to go off with a sub machine gun and kill lots of innocent people. I dont think that banning guns will ever happen. Also, you have to expect things like the batman situation to happen because lots of people in America carry a gun around. I think that there should be some sort of restriction on who can have a gun. This will make things like the Batman incident less likely to happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:22 am 
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Apparently owning a gun in America gives some people "pride". How can you be proud to own a gun that many people will have as well? Furthermore, many murders and "massacres" are as a direct result of guns being easily attainable. Finally, some people would argue that if an enemy nation were to invade the US (As if) a bunch of neighborhood rambo's would be able to stop them or create a local resistance or something. That is all well and good, but would a dozen or so civilians running around with pistols and double-barreled shotguns be able to stand against a professional, well armed fighting force likely augmented by armored vehicles, air support and the like? I think not.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:47 am 
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I live in a country with very strict gun laws...

Assuming we are talking about 'good old USA' here... In the short term, banning firearms will do nothing positive. Guns will still be in wide circulation. Even here in European countries where the average man has no access to guns... Shootings still take place. Those who want to commit gun crime, will obtain a gun illegally.

They are after all, going to kill people (which is illegal). So purchasing guns illegally won't be much of a barrier to them.


In a perfect world, I would love to see no guns for civilians. But this isn't a perfect world. And there are millions of guns.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun control?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:48 am 
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Dos this have anything to do with the recent batman massacre that I posted I believe I heard something of it needing inforced when the massacre happened at the theater

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:24 am 
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Against, If you outlaw guns the good guys wouldn't have guns but the bad guys would still get guns illegally. We need guns for self defence.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:48 am 
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I live in a country with very strict gun control. Infact red tape. You cant own certain calibers, a 20 yr old, second hand Desert Eagle will cost you something like 100,000 USD. Even so, I support gun rights. I do think that certain military grade weapons should be banned like fully automatic or semi automatic machine guns, 50 Cal Sniper rifles etc., These are designed to take people down and you are never gonna snipe anyone are you...except for well in battledawn :D ? These are also not useful while defending yourself.

I would however support owning handguns and shotguns, hunting rifles, tasers, pepper sprays etc., for personal protection. I think India needs to solve this red tape problem and let us all own weapons for personal protection.

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Apparently owning a gun in America gives some people "pride". How can you be proud to own a gun that many people will have as well?


Its part of their culture. We cant question such things. Compared to our countries, Americans do have weapons, so they may feel special....just answering your question.

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Furthermore, many murders and "massacres" are as a direct result of guns being easily attainable.


I find this argument fallacious. Guns dont kill people, people do. People will kill people whether or not they have guns. Dont these countries with strict gun laws have any instances of murder? On the other hand look at Switzerland. Everyone has guns, but very low murder rates. People that want guns for illegal purposes will get these guns anyway. This will be akin to the drug war. The more you control, the more you lose control.

Recently a 17 yr old underaged girl was molested by a mob of 20 people in India, in FULL PUBLIC VIEW. No one did anything about it, cuz who is gonna get into a hand to hand combat with a mob of 20 goons right? The police got there after 30 mins and rescued her. But for that time, she had to endure the humiliation. Imagine if one had guns. Id personally like to put a bullet or two through those goons and kill em, but atleast a warning shot should scare them away. There are lots of instances where people could have defended themselves and cuz they couldnt they were hurt. I think those instances are more than....the Aurora shooting instances.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun control?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:45 am 
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I find this argument fallacious. Guns dont kill people, people do. People will kill people whether or not they have guns. Dont these countries with strict gun laws have any instances of murder? On the other hand look at Switzerland. Everyone has guns, but very low murder rates. People that want guns for illegal purposes will get these guns anyway. This will be akin to the drug war. The more you control, the more you lose control.

I never understood why "Guns dont kill people, people do." is given so much weight, compare murder rates in USA compared to other developed nations. Compare homicide, suicide, etc. caused by guns as well as overall. Having a deadly weapon is a massive factor in your ability to harm others. in others having the ability to harm you. USA is an odd case, several decades of people going out and stashing guns has led to an excess amount that cant be controlled easily. Coupled with their gun culture, any steps into gun control could be a disaster, not just politically, but paranoid trash shooting people disaster level.

You, however, cannot doubt that the ability to massacre is directly related to how fast your gun can shoot and how well you know explosives. I just cant see a knife wielding man causing the same amount of damage in that batman massacre compared to a gun totting nutter.


Recently a 17 yr old underaged girl was molested by a mob of 20 people in India, in FULL PUBLIC VIEW. No one did anything about it, cuz who is gonna get into a hand to hand combat with a mob of 20 goons right? The police got there after 30 mins and rescued her. But for that time, she had to endure the humiliation. Imagine if one had guns. Id personally like to put a bullet or two through those goons and kill em, but atleast a warning shot should scare them away. There are lots of instances where people could have defended themselves and cuz they couldnt they were hurt. I think those instances are more than....the Aurora shooting instances.

link please. 20 goons, likely armed, you point a gun at them. now there are 2 victims. the girl and you. This isnt the movies, just because you are on the side of the righteous doesnt give you god mode. Its more important to look at why an emergency response took 30 minutes. Somebody screwed up there.


I am all for gun control. There is little purpose outside what people already have for them. having a gun for "defense" results in more trouble than good in the long term. need a hunting rifle? sure. Need a sporting rifle? sure. Need a gun for recreational shooting (likely a low caliber single shot rifle)? sure. semi automatic pistol with 10+ rounds? What do you plan on doing with that? In what situation is that gun needed outside of law enforcement/the army?

As for USA, you cant just control guns, but you can regulate and limit the power of the arms, automatic guns should start getting regulated, especially higher velocity guns. If you need a weapon to defend against the US government in the case of tyranny, get yourself an RPG. Or learn to fly a plane and get some torpedos/bombs. Some mortars and anti tank rounds. Some SAM installations, toss in some chemical weapons. Those are the things you need to defend yourself if the US army + gov goes rogue, not more bullets per minute.

Elsewhere, ask yourself a question, is your murder rate high enough? can you want to match US's high score? If not, encourage complacency and a reckless gun culture and your deaths per year will reflect accordingly.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:25 pm 
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I never understood why "Guns dont kill people, people do." is given so much weight, compare murder rates in USA compared to other developed nations. Compare homicide, suicide, etc.


Homicide can also be related to other types of crime. For example Burglaries, Armed robberies etc., Often times, people dont kill because they are crazy, people kill out of need. Switzerland is a country where everyone has guns, even machine guns. Yet, it has one of the lowest murder rates in the world. Odd? Social issues play a great part in crime.

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You, however, cannot doubt that the ability to massacre is directly related to how fast your gun can shoot and how well you know explosives. I just cant see a knife wielding man causing the same amount of damage in that batman massacre compared to a gun totting nutter.


I agree. Thats why I dont support owning sniper rifles, automatic/semi-automatic machine guns etc., These are not even useful for personal protection. However handguns are something I support.

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link please. 20 goons, likely armed, you point a gun at them. now there are 2 victims. the girl and you. This isnt the movies, just because you are on the side of the righteous doesnt give you god mode. Its more important to look at why an emergency response took 30 minutes. Somebody screwed up there.


Naah. They were just goons that took advantage of the girl. They werent armed. As for the link, you have the entirety of it on video. I wont post it here to avoid voyeurism and secondly, to keep with the PG 13 rating of the forums. However, its on youtube. Just type - "Girl molested in public view, India, Guwahati". You will find it there. The whole molestation scene.

Also am not saying that everyone should be given guns. There should be a screening process, and a person's financial, educational and criminal backgrounds should be verified. All gun owners should be required to complete a training - just like we test for a driver's license and then get a license to own guns. This isnt difficult or impractical.

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Its more important to look at why an emergency response took 30 minutes. Somebody screwed up there


Of course. But knowing India so well, travelling the 2 miles that they had to, to get there, would have taken atleast 15-20 mins in Indian traffic. So they were late by like 10 mins or so. Max 15. That wouldnt have done any greater good, except for rescuing her earlier and sparing her the extra humiliation. The right way to deal with this is to stop it from happening. By protecting yourself.

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I am all for gun control. There is little purpose outside what people already have for them. having a gun for "defense" results in more trouble than good in the long term.


Accidents happen yes. But that doesnt deserve a generalization. There are tons of crimes out there committed against people that are not armed. They can be prevented.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

Check that. Some of the countries at the top, have gun control. The US is homicide rate is more than India, but only by a few spots. But look at Switzerland, that requires everyone to keep a machine gun. They have a very low murder rate. Murder rates and guns dont have a causal relationship.

I guess most of these accidents are because of a lack of training/responsible handling. Switzerland requires everyone to join the Army and therefore maybe their citizens are far more educated when it comes to handling guns/gun safety. I guess if we practice that and mandate training and compliance, which can easily be done, as it is done for drivers licenses, we can reduce accident rates.

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