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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:55 pm 
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I highly dislike Obama and I hope he doesn't get relected


He will, count on it. Just as Bush got re-elected after having the worst approval rating in history. If voting meant a thing, people "like" Ron Paul, would be in office, people "like" JFK would still be around, and so on.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:18 pm 
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Honestly, for all of the arguing here, it is useless.

The mainstream media has gone out of their way to ignore the only adult in the room, and we are left with Obama and Romney essentially, and are asked to pick the lesser of two Bilderbergers...er uh, evils.

Its apples & oranges now.

Good lord I hope RP runs on the independent ticket. Youd figure after RP won majority delegates in 2 major battleground states, the corporate media would be forced to admit that they can no longer ignore him so broadly as they have.

Instead, we get to listen to Obama brag about giving the order to
kill a man long since dead, and wag a finger at Romney saying he wouldnt have given the order to do it.


This is what we are forced to choose from. Dumb or dumber.

Obama will be re-elected. Even if he wasnt literally elected, all voting is done electronically on corporate machines. It is as easy as changing a number in a database, and telling your corporate news extensions to echo the database. This is exactly why
several countries around the world have banned electronic voting. Go figure also, that it was Bush getting elected by a fault in the electoral system that justified this system in the first place. Nevermind the fact that it wasn't the system that was faulted, but the officials in Jeb Bush's governed state of Florida that disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of legitmate voters, while trying to pile up ineligible absentee ballots in his favor (while of course wrangling away absentee votes that were for the opposition) and "rigged the game". All of which are of course, federal crimes. Of course not so much as an indictment ever came of it. I guess it helps to have a daddy who is very much part of the foundation of the CIA.

Anyway, the point is, Obama will be back. At the rate things are going, I would not be surprised if he enacts wartime powers in his second term to circumvent any elections thereafter. Anymore, it would be par for the course.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 6:14 pm 
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Honestly, for all of the arguing here, it is useless.

The mainstream media has gone out of their way to ignore the only adult in the room, and we are left with Obama and Romney essentially, and are asked to pick the lesser of two Bilderbergers...er uh, evils.

Its apples & oranges now.

Good lord I hope RP runs on the independent ticket. Youd figure after RP won majority delegates in 2 major battleground states, the corporate media would be forced to admit that they can no longer ignore him so broadly as they have.

Instead, we get to listen to Obama brag about giving the order to
kill a man long since dead, and wag a finger at Romney saying he wouldnt have given the order to do it.


This is what we are forced to choose from. Dumb or dumber.

Obama will be re-elected. Even if he wasnt literally elected, all voting is done electronically on corporate machines. It is as easy as changing a number in a database, and telling your corporate news extensions to echo the database. This is exactly why
several countries around the world have banned electronic voting. Go figure also, that it was Bush getting elected by a fault in the electoral system that justified this system in the first place. Nevermind the fact that it wasn't the system that was faulted, but the officials in Jeb Bush's governed state of Florida that disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of legitmate voters, while trying to pile up ineligible absentee ballots in his favor (while of course wrangling away absentee votes that were for the opposition) and "rigged the game". All of which are of course, federal crimes. Of course not so much as an indictment ever came of it. I guess it helps to have a daddy who is very much part of the foundation of the CIA.

Anyway, the point is, Obama will be back. At the rate things are going, I would not be surprised if he enacts wartime powers in his second term to circumvent any elections thereafter. Anymore, it would be par for the course.



You said it yourself seth, even if he won, doubt we'd find out either way.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:03 am 
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I believe you took my sarcasm as literal.....Please re-read what I have written. And please, before you respond to something, try and do your best to actually take note what is being said. I am not a Obama supporter in the least, and think that every action most of the government has committed is not only violating the constitution, but international law. I find it sick that Obama gets the Nobel peace prize, but Gandhi didnt... I am a believer in small government, that the founders preached - So at no point did I make any of the claims you have placed upon me. If you wish to debate, please show me the same respect you wish to be shown, or do not even bother.

sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet, i have to go out of my way to make it known.
i found it sick that gore got it, but that lady who saved hundreds of jews and got beaten by nazis for saving them didnt get it. all because gore made a movie.
i struggle to find respect for birthers/other conspiracy theorists. they are usually so wrapped up in their fantasy, nothing gets through to them.


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Elric, dont fool yourself into thinking that a guy who calls himself "Mr Ducky" from Australia, cares in the least about our rights, our constitution, or our freedoms xD

I honestly think he plays the devil's advocate just to argue.

Well put indeed.

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no, of course i care. as the leader of the free world, USA is setting the precedent. also, whatever happens in your country, you are still sitting on the largest stockpile of nukes. anything that happens is worrying because of that. your constitution is good, but it isnt perfect. see: amendments. the FF were smart but they knew they were not gods. they allowed for changes to be made as the future changes, so too does the constitution to keep up. take the abolition of slavery for example. FF societal norms would have never allowed that amendment to go through

freedoms is a big one. if SOPA/PIPA passed through, i would feel the shock (NUUUUU PIRACY (i buy most of my games, its the movies/music/TV show streaming that i would feel the hit) a lot of TV shows in USA arent available in australia due to foxtel's monopoly on cable and its absurd prices. i would miss out if ISPs in USA stopped hosting. if CISPA passes through, i wouldnt feel a thing, but i campaign for internet freedom because it sets a bad precedent. same applies to the patriot act, enacted by bush, renewed by obama. its a gross violation of individual rights. accuse them as a terrorist and boom, they arent even considered human anymore and are no longer given the rights of human beings. are you saying i cant speak out? i might not be able to vote or change anything, but i can raise awareness and point out the flaws.


@Seth's latest post (too long to bother quoting)
that article is 26 dec 2001. at the near height of bush's approval. there were plenty of rumours going around because osama was a sick man, he has required a dialysis machine before, has been in hospital numerous times, etc.

i read about that florida business. where legitimate votes by certain black communities who supported gore over bush were ignored since the hole punch didnt completely make a hole, just an easily distinguishable mark with half a hole.

electronic machines in USA have been found susceptible to tampering. but no real evidence has emerged that it has been systematic, then again, no major investigation due to the fact no real evidence has emerged, need a big name to accuse someone.

as for the romney vs obama issue

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... -residency
here is romney voting in state elections of a state he doesnt live in. 2 week old news!


Seth, if obama doesnt enact wartime powers, could you possibly transfer $200 to a paypal account of my choosing, i will do so if he does to an account of your choosing if are actually being serious and not just talking out of your ass as you go along. its not a lot considering, but really. unbacked allegations. not just that, classic fox news fear mongering. do you work with them? cause they really should offer you a job.

i wish santorum stuck in the race, then it would have resulted in a tampa vote off and ron paul could have got in on the GOP ticket with GOP funding.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:25 pm 
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Elric wrote:
Heh...
I believe you took my sarcasm as literal.....Please re-read what I have written. And please, before you respond to something, try and do your best to actually take note what is being said. I am not a Obama supporter in the least, and think that every action most of the government has committed is not only violating the constitution, but international law. I find it sick that Obama gets the Nobel peace prize, but Gandhi didnt... I am a believer in small government, that the founders preached - So at no point did I make any of the claims you have placed upon me. If you wish to debate, please show me the same respect you wish to be shown, or do not even bother.

sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet, i have to go out of my way to make it known.
i found it sick that gore got it, but that lady who saved hundreds of jews and got beaten by nazis for saving them didnt get it. all because gore made a movie.
i struggle to find respect for birthers/other conspiracy theorists. they are usually so wrapped up in their fantasy, nothing gets through to them.


Elric wrote:
Seth wrote:
Elric, dont fool yourself into thinking that a guy who calls himself "Mr Ducky" from Australia, cares in the least about our rights, our constitution, or our freedoms xD

I honestly think he plays the devil's advocate just to argue.

Well put indeed.

GASP. THEY ARE ONTO ME

no, of course i care. as the leader of the free world, USA is setting the precedent. also, whatever happens in your country, you are still sitting on the largest stockpile of nukes. anything that happens is worrying because of that. your constitution is good, but it isnt perfect. see: amendments. the FF were smart but they knew they were not gods. they allowed for changes to be made as the future changes, so too does the constitution to keep up. take the abolition of slavery for example. FF societal norms would have never allowed that amendment to go through

freedoms is a big one. if SOPA/PIPA passed through, i would feel the shock (NUUUUU PIRACY (i buy most of my games, its the movies/music/TV show streaming that i would feel the hit) a lot of TV shows in USA arent available in australia due to foxtel's monopoly on cable and its absurd prices. i would miss out if ISPs in USA stopped hosting. if CISPA passes through, i wouldnt feel a thing, but i campaign for internet freedom because it sets a bad precedent. same applies to the patriot act, enacted by bush, renewed by obama. its a gross violation of individual rights. accuse them as a terrorist and boom, they arent even considered human anymore and are no longer given the rights of human beings. are you saying i cant speak out? i might not be able to vote or change anything, but i can raise awareness and point out the flaws.


@Seth's latest post (too long to bother quoting)
that article is 26 dec 2001. at the near height of bush's approval. there were plenty of rumours going around because osama was a sick man, he has required a dialysis machine before, has been in hospital numerous times, etc.

i read about that florida business. where legitimate votes by certain black communities who supported gore over bush were ignored since the hole punch didnt completely make a hole, just an easily distinguishable mark with half a hole.

electronic machines in USA have been found susceptible to tampering. but no real evidence has emerged that it has been systematic, then again, no major investigation due to the fact no real evidence has emerged, need a big name to accuse someone.

as for the romney vs obama issue

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... -residency
here is romney voting in state elections of a state he doesnt live in. 2 week old news!


Seth, if obama doesnt enact wartime powers, could you possibly transfer $200 to a paypal account of my choosing, i will do so if he does to an account of your choosing if are actually being serious and not just talking out of your ass as you go along. its not a lot considering, but really. unbacked allegations. not just that, classic fox news fear mongering. do you work with them? cause they really should offer you a job.

i wish santorum stuck in the race, then it would have resulted in a tampa vote off and ron paul could have got in on the GOP ticket with GOP funding.



The point I was making, is that the person you believed me to be- wasn't even close. And your comment about Santorum at the end, is laughable. Here you are openly admitting of a corrupt government and fear mongering media(as we can obviously see), yet, you still bit into the American Propaganda Pie, (so I call it)

I find that rather entertaining to watch so many people be able to see a small area of notability, yet block out the rest. Its like sleeping with one eye open - to entranced to open the second.

No matter which way you vote in this country, its worthless. Even for someone as wonderful as Ron Paul (in my mind atleast) to get elected, doesn't really matter. The system is set up so that the people get frustrated with the figure head in power, he's merely tossed out just so a new figure head can come in with promises of change.

In order to understand how our system works, take a look at our medical system. We never truly treat the cause of something, we merely treat the symptoms. This is called the "band-aid" effect, and its how we run our country, down to the very core, in every aspect of our society. If you truly want to change something, you don't keep altering one piece on the chess board - you throw the whole chess board away, and start over.

If American society is to change for the better - it has to cure itself of it's disease, and that disease my friend, is ignorance.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:29 pm 
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i found it sick that gore got it, but that lady who saved hundreds of jews and got beaten by nazis for saving them didnt get it. all because gore made a movie.


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i found it sick that gore got it, but that lady who saved hundreds of jews and got beaten by nazis for saving them didnt get it. all because gore made a movie.


What?



Basically they're are countless people in history who did not get the nobel peace prize, yet crooks like gore, and Obama can get it, merely for "image" reasons.

Online quote:
The Nobel Peace Prize 2009 was awarded to Barack H. Obama "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples".

Without randomly calling "BULLS___" we can clearly tell this is a fabricated lie.

Obama's first month in office consisted of a complete counter/turnaround from everything he said he believed in. And immediately started paying back the corporations that funded his campaign, as well as reinforcing every bush policy he criticized.

As for Al Gore ,(even if we put reasonable intelligence a side, and believe the global warming fear mongering for a second) The same evidence Gore is using to show us Global Warming exists, was used to scare us 35 years ago, into thinking Global COOLING was the major threat.


People in history deserved Nobel peace prizes, far beyond these criminals.

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Oh of course :) I lost faith in the Nobel Prize the day Obama won it LOL. After sanctioning more troops to Afghanistan or Iraq lmao.

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It was no different than his campaign speeches.

"Change" should've been called "More Lies"

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The point I was making, is that the person you believed me to be- wasn't even close. And your comment about Santorum at the end, is laughable. Here you are openly admitting of a corrupt government and fear mongering media(as we can obviously see), yet, you still bit into the American Propaganda Pie, (so I call it)
....

In order to understand how our system works, take a look at our medical system. We never truly treat the cause of something, we merely treat the symptoms. This is called the "band-aid" effect, and its how we run our country, down to the very core, in every aspect of our society. If you truly want to change something, you don't keep altering one piece on the chess board - you throw the whole chess board away, and start over.

If American society is to change for the better - it has to cure itself of it's disease, and that disease my friend, is ignorance.
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how was the santorum bit laughable? ron paul was not taken seriously, he was ignored by mainstream media at every turn. the RNC give ALL candidates a chance to snatch delegates, said delegates are no longer handed out based on the public voting (which is often dictated by the mainstream media)
how is that a laughable fantasy? its sound, very real and possible.

solving ignorance requires a certain degree of education without which, they are too busy working dead end jobs for. no, it is probably a bad sign when the stereotypical american is
a.) fat
b.) stupid (ignorant)
this obviously points to an endemic culture wherein ignorance is rewarded/intelligence is trivialised.

ignorance such as the stubborn belief that obama wasnt born in USA is ingrained in some individuals so deeply, you have to wait from them to die off for their ideas to die with them. (I TOOK THAT POT SHOT)

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