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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:56 pm 
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:mrgreen: it surprise me how American don't understand how much he saved there country. who cares let some one else come in his place. good guy has to go . as said in batman " you die hero, or you just live long enough to became a villein.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:01 am 
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Yeah. Lets live our lives by catch phrases in movies about comic book super heroes. Excellent idea! :lol:

Good guy remains to be seen. We will see after 4 more years of him. He will be re-elected.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:34 pm 
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Seth wrote:
I said that special interests ability to manipulate government and buy elected officials as it is now with Citizens united, was unprecedented. You wasted a bunch of time rattling on about executive orders. Good for you ;)

are you for realsies?
that link you provided (aka. link #2) was all about obama using executive orders to bypass rivals. i dont know how you then ignore your link and sidetrack for a single sentence about your own agenda and claim i was off. moreover, a majority of my rant was at your accusation that it was "unprecendented"
ergo. valid rant. try again seth.


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Although, executive orders should be emergency use only, you know, in real emergencies. Not when your corporate owned cronies are creating a blockade problem to set the stage for you to roll out a solution. One of Obama's first acts in the white house was to use his new powers to issue an executive order to seal his own records from public scrutiny!! :roll: Yeah, presidents do that all the time.


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i also left in there executive order 13233 which paints obama in a negative light, but i think you might ignore that because the word reagan is also dropped there.

it is as if you lack reading comprehension. 13233, reagan and bush used it as well. come on seth, my writing is bright and green.

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As for the birth certificate, no Obama did NOT produce his birth certificate. The white house issued a file online that was a PDF of a scan of a photo of a document which is supposed to be his birth certificate out of Hawaii. This scan raises many more questions than it answers.

The funky thing is that all of those questions could have been silenced months and months before they ever gained momentum by allowing 1st hand access to the official document in question. To this day, there is no 1st hand access to said document.

so wait, you want obama's certificate but you dont want obama's birth certificate. every birther in USA wants to physically stroke, touch, cut off a tiny sliver to examine, smell, burn a piece to test, taste, scan, enlarge, etc. to the original birth certificate, and even then, i can offer you an iron clad guarantee now that many birthers are so deep in their misery they still wouldnt accept it. obama has released his birth certificate, for all intents and purposes it is legitimate. anymore would be pandering to a fringe but extremely vocal group. and everyone knows to not ego stroke the crazies. you legitimise them and give them energy.
here. debunking the crazy.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59087668/Response-to-Zebest


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I know you already mentioned this, but Sheriff Arpaio out of Maricopa County AZ put together a team recently to lay the whole question to rest, and to silence the "birthers".
Oddly enough, they ended up finding more evidence that it was a forgery based on aforementioned scan, than to the contrary.

I dont necessarily think its any easier to prove that it is in fact a forgery, simply because i know that with photoshop, you can quite easily and convincingly manipulate documents with ease and minimal experience.


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Mara Zebest has also now written a 'report' onthe alleged forgery of Barack Obama's long form birth certificate. And that would probably be avery interesting thing were it not for one simple fact. The document she is 'analyzing' was not created in Adobe Photoshop

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59087668/Response-to-Zebest
you misunderstand photoshop. the picture was a scanned image. so it has scanning faults, these do not necessarily point out a forgery. by photoshop, many of the faults shown demonstrate the document has digital alteration (which is normal for a scanned item) but to demonstrate its a forgery requires much more

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Yet again, any question could be silenced, as it could have years ago, by simply allowing access to the document first hand. That by itself just does not make sense to me. Instead, we have a digital document that raises more questions than it answers.

or it answers the only question there is. was obama born in hawaii? yes. are you sure? yep (there are also 2 clippings in Hawaiian newspapers then that congratulated his birth or something)

the only questions it doesnt answer is why are birthers still frothing at the mouth and will they ever relent or accept that their irrational finger pointing is getting them nowhere?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns ... 5rnfastjqg

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In addition, as Factcheck.org and other media organizations have repeatedly pointed out, both of Honolulu's newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser on Aug. 13, 1961, and the Honolulu Star Bulletin, on Aug. 14, 1961, both ran birth announcements listing Obama's birth on Aug. 4 of that year.

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"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

YOU TELLING OBAMA TO BREAK STATE LAW NOW?



Fox News: This just in, Obama has broken state laws, more info regarding why this order disrupting criminal should not be our president at 6.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:04 pm 
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I'm and totally against Obama, I've read a lot of bad things about him. To be honest I don't want to be against the leader of my country. So, I'm asking you intelligent fellas (and lady fellas) what are the real facts about Obama and what he has done with his presidency? I've tried many different variations of "Un-biased facts about Obama" "Real Fact about Obama" "Good facts about Obama" all have lead to crappy written articles about how he hasn't done anything good. Even on yahoo answers, a question was "What are some good things Obama has done?(un-biased answers!)" The answer was, nothing.

I'm trying to enlighten myself. Please help! :D If this is in the wrong section, please move it. I looked through all the topics and figured this was the best place for it.



Go watch "the obama deception" on youtube.



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YOU TELLING OBAMA TO BREAK STATE LAW NOW?



He's already violated international Law, according to UN regulation, and lied about every campaign promise he made period....whats a silly little state law to him now right?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:16 am 
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mrducky:
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YOU TELLING OBAMA TO BREAK STATE LAW NOW?

He's already violated international Law, according to UN regulation, and lied about every campaign promise he made period....whats a silly little state law to him now right?

wait wait wait. im gonna assume you are one of those against big government. and yet, here you are. telling me that the federal government should come in now
assert and illegally overrule hawaiian state laws, exercise its authority to get you these documents, and set a precedent where if a fringe group is angry, the constitution becomes moot? that the government should be given this new found power? because you tell people to go watch "the obama deception" video on youtube.
*applaud* truly, you amaze me.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:33 pm 
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Some more food for though. Another shining example of Obama's state of mind in policy, as well as that of those around him.




Say hello to Obama's strongest candidate as the next supreme court appointee...Hope you like him!

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 2:42 pm 
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Elric wrote:
mrducky wrote:
Elric wrote:
mrducky:
He's already violated international Law, according to UN regulation, and lied about every campaign promise he made period....whats a silly little state law to him now right?

wait wait wait. im gonna assume you are one of those against big government. and yet, here you are. telling me that the federal government should come in now
assert and illegally overrule hawaiian state laws, exercise its authority to get you these documents, and set a precedent where if a fringe group is angry, the constitution becomes moot? that the government should be given this new found power? because you tell people to go watch "the obama deception" video on youtube.
*applaud* truly, you amaze me.



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I believe you took my sarcasm as literal.....Please re-read what I have written. And please, before you respond to something, try and do your best to actually take note what is being said. I am not a Obama supporter in the least, and think that every action most of the government has committed is not only violating the constitution, but international law. I find it sick that Obama gets the Nobel peace prize, but Gandhi didnt... I am a believer in small government, that the founders preached - So at no point did I make any of the claims you have placed upon me. If you wish to debate, please show me the same respect you wish to be shown, or do not even bother.

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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
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Elric, dont fool yourself into thinking that a guy who calls himself "Mr Ducky" from Australia, cares in the least about our rights, our constitution, or our freedoms xD

I honestly think he plays the devil's advocate just to argue.

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Elric, dont fool yourself into thinking that a guy who calls himself "Mr Ducky" from Australia, cares in the least about our rights, our constitution, or our freedoms xD

I honestly think he plays the devil's advocate just to argue.



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 Post subject: Re: Un-biased Fact on Obama
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I highly dislike Obama and I hope he doesn't get relected

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