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@ Seth. are you seriously saying globalisation = NWO?
are you saying that facebook, that has allowed people to become more interconnected is NWO? that battledawn, which allows people from all countries to cooperate and share info freely without limits is NWO? that reduced tariffs, increased trade and prosperity is the NWO? that greater interconnectedness, cultural diversity and understanding is NWO?
if so. i crown this tin foil hat crown since you must be either a. trolling me b. nutters.
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Why dont you get out of my country this is a free country. Obama care now whats next?
THOSE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE OPPRESSING MY FREEDOM TO GET HOME AS FAST AS I CAN they, (among other road laws which are enforced by the totalitarian government with fines and jail), stop me from accelerating as much as i want. they restrict me, an honest hard working american, from seeing my family. the government is stopping me from seeing my family!
i say that we go back to the founding father's days. they didnt have traffic lights or multilane freeways with complex rules such as drive to a certain side of the road and indicate before overtaking. NO. they were free. FOR FREEDOM! let us abolish traffic lights and pedal to the metal wherever we want to go. if you dont want to go fast, that is your freedom to do so, if someone is going to fast and smashes and kills someone driving normally, that is unfortunate, but cars dont kill people, people kill people. it was only the driver to blame, not the system!
traffic laws are just another word for socialist nazi communism!
-ace soldier, stop embarassing yourself.-
obamacare is modelled similiar to romneycare it allows from many children who have pre existing conditions to now be covered. a major way of going bankrupt is being blue collar, unable to afford health insurance on a tight budget, get injured, lose the house, the credit, the job, the health and go bankrupt as there is no way out of the hole.
USA is the only developed nation that doesnt have cover for all. moreover, USA spends the most, far more than other countries on health but comes in mediocre in ratings. before you diss obamacare one more time, i ask you this one question. list 3 things which you find are negative with it and 3 things that are positive, weigh them up without being judgemental and try to be free of bias. its actually quite a good bill, not perfect, but a step in the right direction for finally bringing the US health system into the 21st century.
1st link pretty shifty, im with you on that one, but appealing to voters during an election year is as old as democracy itself. then again, im surprised at you. obama is cuting at a part of healthcare in order to help pay for other parts of his healthcare bill. i could have sworn that is more fiscally responsible than introducing the bill where everyone wins. i remember that being the GOP budget. 'cut from programs so that we can give tax cuts to the rich.'
2nd link
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“We had been attempting to highlight the inability of Congress to do anything,” recalled William M. Daley, who was the White House chief of staff at the time. “The president expressed frustration, saying we have got to scour everything and push the envelope in finding things we can do on our own.”
congress in USA is completely blocked. it has lower approval ratings than 'communism' in the eyes of the US public. the two parties use congress to veto each other at every turn, it makes sense for anyone who gets held accountable when no policies are put into place to find alternative, legal avenues.
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...the White House has rolled out dozens of new policies — on creating jobs for veterans, preventing drug shortages, raising fuel economy standards, curbing domestic violence and more.
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1st link: just the tip of the iceberg. If you actually look into the man, everything about him is creepy, and wrong. The fact that he posts up slush funds to keep people from asking the right questions until its too late is just par for the course.
2nd link: I dont care if its a hideous deadlock, and it burns obamas ass 50 ways til sunday, the system is the way it is for a reason, and he should not be able to just circumvent our constitution because he is unhappy with it. What is more, all of those elected officials who are causing these blockades are subject to heavy lobbying, so with enough investigating you will see that the reasons for such blockades go far beyond elephants and donkeys. Citizens United has given the corporate and banking elite the ability to manipulate our government in unprecedented fashion, and they do every day.
If you look at these blockades of indecisiveness as just some dispute between a donkey and an elephant, you are looking at it from a CNN (corporate news network) perspective only. It is an engineered crisis of government, with an engineered solution, which is to send the corporate head (president) in to the rescue with "executive orders".
I do not care if those executive orders help things in the short run. I care what kind of precedent it sets. Our system is not perfect, but it worked for us for a long time, and only in the last 40-50 years has it started to break down and not function properly. It is accelerating now with citizens united, and the checks and balances on corporate corruption are all but obliterated. Not even the media has the guts to show it to you any more, because they are corporate interests like any other, and anyone who actually speaks the truth will be taken from the public eye very quickly.
You actually think these elected representatives work for us anymore? Do you fool youself so avidly? Think about it. No president will try to obstruct the military industrial complex now. It would be political suicide.
The president of the U.S.A. gets paid about $250,000 a year as his salary.
Obama broke records in his campaign fundraising after an unprecedented decision from the supreme court that allowed him to do so with zero accountability to the public domain. You do not get that kind of money without ending up in someone's back pocket somewhere. That kind of money vs. 250k a year. I seriously doubt Obama's interests lie with our meager 250k a year budget for him. Especially when you factor in that he is not even an American.
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Seth. I agree with you. But that video is rubbish. She could have been talking about anyone, and evidently the uploader knew that because comments are disabled on that video. Furthermore, there's no way his own wife would reveal that at any time. Just no.
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More than a little hard to believe, no?
You can find the long-form yourself, but just to please you, here is another short clip of the same speech with a little bit after just so you can be sure of the context. Also, comments are enabled on that one.
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i had some posting problems yesterday. 501 error if i remember correctly. having to retype everything
Seth wrote:
1st link: just the tip of the iceberg. If you actually look into the man, everything about him is creepy, and wrong. The fact that he posts up slush funds to keep people from asking the right questions until its too late is just par for the course.
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2nd link: I dont care if its a hideous deadlock, and it burns obamas ass 50 ways til sunday, the system is the way it is for a reason, and he should not be able to just circumvent our constitution because he is unhappy with it. What is more, all of those elected officials who are causing these blockades are subject to heavy lobbying, so with enough investigating you will see that the reasons for such blockades go far beyond elephants and donkeys. Citizens United has given the corporate and banking elite the ability to manipulate our government in unprecedented fashion, and they do every day.
If you look at these blockades of indecisiveness as just some dispute between a donkey and an elephant, you are looking at it from a CNN (corporate news network) perspective only. It is an engineered crisis of government, with an engineered solution, which is to send the corporate head (president) in to the rescue with "executive orders".
alright, 2 main problems with this paragraph. the big one is your claim it is unprecedented.
Wikipedia wrote:
Large policy changes with wide-ranging effects have been effected through executive order, including the integration of the armed forces under Harry Truman and the desegregation of public schools under Dwight D. Eisenhower. One extreme example of an executive order is Executive Order 9066, where Franklin D. Roosevelt delegated military authority to remove any or all people (used to target specifically Japanese Americans and German Americans) in a military zone. The authority delegated to General John L. DeWitt subsequently paved the way for all Japanese-Americans on the West Coast to be sent to internment camps for the duration of World War II. Executive Order 13233, which restricted public access to the papers of Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush, was more recently criticized by the Society of American Archivists and other groups, stating that it "violates both the spirit and letter of existing US law on access to presidential papers as clearly laid down in 44 USC. 2201–07," and adding that the order "potentially threatens to undermine one of the very foundations of our nation." President Obama revoked Executive Order 13233 and replaced it with Executive Order 13489, which continued to restrict access to presidential records. [7]
obama ensuring there are no drug shortages, creating jobs for veterans and curbing domestic violence seems miniscule in comparison with the internment camps for the japanese. i also left in there executive order 13233 which paints obama in a negative light, but i think you might ignore that because the word reagan is also dropped there. this looks like obama actually doing his job because congress has stalled but these domestic policies need to be pushed or at the very least streamlined as obama is ultimately responsible if nothing is done at the end of the day like i said, jobs for veterans! the horror :O
as for your claim im just a CNN fool. i dont even watch cnn, australian remember? i get most of my news online, i visit the politics and world news subreddits on reddit daily as well as read the broadsheet when i find time at uni inbetween classes. CNN has fallen. i used to honour them, they had journalists right in the thick of it. but lately their direction and function has become more like fox news and sensationalized. at least BBC remains true. anyways, you dont even need the news to know congress is failing. they are regarded with less favour than COMMUNISM by USAmericans. lowest approval rating for congress. you can tell by the votes which bills are being specifically vetoed and blocked not based on merit but by party lines drawn up.
Seth wrote:
I do not care if those executive orders help things in the short run. I care what kind of precedent it sets. Our system is not perfect, but it worked for us for a long time, and only in the last 40-50 years has it started to break down and not function properly. It is accelerating now with citizens united, and the checks and balances on corporate corruption are all but obliterated. Not even the media has the guts to show it to you any more, because they are corporate interests like any other, and anyone who actually speaks the truth will be taken from the public eye very quickly.
as i said, not the first time its used and when used, nothing actually major, just ensuring USA continues to function despite deadlocked congress
Seth wrote:
You actually think these elected representatives work for us anymore? Do you fool youself so avidly? Think about it. No president will try to obstruct the military industrial complex now. It would be political suicide.
The president of the U.S.A. gets paid about $250,000 a year as his salary.
Obama broke records in his campaign fundraising after an unprecedented decision from the supreme court that allowed him to do so with zero accountability to the public domain. You do not get that kind of money without ending up in someone's back pocket somewhere. That kind of money vs. 250k a year. I seriously doubt Obama's interests lie with our meager 250k a year budget for him. Especially when you factor in that he is not even an American.
It is true, that the big corporations can afford the best lobbyists. i am alarmed by monsanto right now, they just BOUGHT the research centre that found a link between their GM corn and bee colony collapse disorder and there is significant overlap between monsanto and the government. its true, poor people cant afford lobbyists.
Fun Fact: Obama gave 20% of his income in charity. also his actual income is considerably higher when you factor in book sales which he gets a portion for. either way, with accomodation for family and transportation for him basically paid for, living costs would be relatively low.
the reason im meandering is because i dont understand the next part, can you explain why its bad that obama could rack up 150 mil in donations? he disclosed all donations over $200... is it because most GOP candidates are used to figures less than 5 digits from certain institutions they just happen to wholeheartedly support and are in the pocket of?
Seth wrote:
More than a little hard to believe, no?
You can find the long-form yourself, but just to please you, here is another short clip of the same speech with a little bit after just so you can be sure of the context. Also, comments are enabled on that one.
alright. so obama releases his birthcertificate and yet still people rag on about this.
snopes wrote:
The "Cold Case Posse" investigation of Barack Obama's birth certificate conducted by Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio produced no new evidence demonstrating that document to be a forgery. That entity's report by Mara Zebest simply recycled old arguments that had long since been thoroughly debunked in detail
anyways, regarding our video rather than just hearing me throw links and quotes at you. you will find that obama's father, a kenyan economist, is from kenya. michelle could have simply been meaning ancestral homeland. im born and raised in australia. i call myself australian. i cant even speak chinese (just understand it) because of my life in australia and my lack of enthusiasm in the difficult language. however, i could just as easily call myself chinese. both my parents are chinese born and came to australia, the vast majority of my relatives are in china. in a sense, it is also home despite the fact i cant speak the language and cant navigate my way around even though i could in USA or UK.
ancestral home. no reason to start wetting yourself seth, she is referring to ancestral homeland.
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I said that special interests ability to manipulate government and buy elected officials as it is now with Citizens united, was unprecedented. You wasted a bunch of time rattling on about executive orders. Good for you
Although, executive orders should be emergency use only, you know, in real emergencies. Not when your corporate owned cronies are creating a blockade problem to set the stage for you to roll out a solution. One of Obama's first acts in the white house was to use his new powers to issue an executive order to seal his own records from public scrutiny!! Yeah, presidents do that all the time.
As for the birth certificate, no Obama did NOT produce his birth certificate. The white house issued a file online that was a PDF of a scan of a photo of a document which is supposed to be his birth certificate out of Hawaii. This scan raises many more questions than it answers.
The funky thing is that all of those questions could have been silenced months and months before they ever gained momentum by allowing 1st hand access to the official document in question. To this day, there is no 1st hand access to said document.
I know you already mentioned this, but Sheriff Arpaio out of Maricopa County AZ put together a team recently to lay the whole question to rest, and to silence the "birthers". Oddly enough, they ended up finding more evidence that it was a forgery based on aforementioned scan, than to the contrary.
I dont necessarily think its any easier to prove that it is in fact a forgery, simply because i know that with photoshop, you can quite easily and convincingly manipulate documents with ease and minimal experience.
Yet again, any question could be silenced, as it could have years ago, by simply allowing access to the document first hand. That by itself just does not make sense to me. Instead, we have a digital document that raises more questions than it answers.
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Yeah, presidents do that all the time.