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 Post subject: Re: World War 3
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:45 am 
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If countries were forced to pick sides, it would most likely be NATO vs. China, Russia, North korea, Iran, and maybe some smaller countries in the middle east.


It need not necessarily be like that. China and the US might have differences. Russia and the US might have differences. But if countries like China and Russia have a bright future, why would they join countries like North Korea and Iran? Think about it. Its not gonna transpire EXACTLY like diplomacy is today.

Secondly, the UNSC is a power circle. They will never war each other.

Thirdly, like I have said many times before, there will be no World war 3 between countries as such. You have to understand, its not like countries decided to just start fighting in the past. There were historical and political reasons for both world wars. Infact the US didnt even take part in the war until Pearl Harbor back in WW2. This is not the case today. Countries depend on each other too much and have too much at stake to take sides and destroy each other.

Finally, the US owes China around 2 trillion I guess, while the debt is around what 10 trillion (or 14?, not too sure) ? And its not like China lent the US money out of trust lol. What a naive assumption. They lend money in exchange for securities. Securities in the form of government bonds and such. So if the US defaults, it means China loses tons of money, and the US hits rock bottom and becomes bankrupt. Which means, there is unemployment, inflation, the dollar becomes worthless and loses its status as the worlds reserve currency and what not. So its not a simple case of the US telling China, "I am not gonna pay back".

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 Post subject: Re: World War 3
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:54 am 
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No countries will be forced to pick side if they stay neutral. Just think of it as a BD round. If two alliances have war, u don't have to pick side for urself, unless one of them attack u first.

This is the same, even if US attack China, Russia will never jump in unless US or China attack Russia. The countries which are "forced" to join the war are the countries who are conquered, say, South Korea was conquered by China. Then China will force the South Korean to join the war.

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 Post subject: Re: World War 3
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:56 am 
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doubt it.

If US attacks China, that means that Russia is endangered since Russia and China are two peas in a pod. If US has a reason to attack China, regardless of whatever it is, Russia can't be too far down the waiting list and so would definitely defend China. That being said, US would never attack China in the next 30 years.

(It's NK, not SK...SK is in US' pocket lol)

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 Post subject: Re: World War 3
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:28 am 
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No countries will be forced to pick side if they stay neutral. Just think of it as a BD round. If two alliances have war, u don't have to pick side for urself, unless one of them attack u first.

This is the same, even if US attack China, Russia will never jump in unless US or China attack Russia. The countries which are "forced" to join the war are the countries who are conquered, say, South Korea was conquered by China. Then China will force the South Korean to join the war.


You spend too much of time on BD lol. Its not a BD round. I am trying to say, that there WONT be a war between countries. All the countries that CAN turn a war into a world war have economic ties that are so interconnected, that war would literally mean suicide. It wont happen. The situation is impossible.

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If US attacks China, that means that Russia is endangered since Russia and China are two peas in a pod. If US has a reason to attack China, regardless of whatever it is, Russia can't be too far down the waiting list and so would definitely defend China. That being said, US would never attack China in the next 30 years.


First of all Russia and China are not two peas in a pod or whatever. Communism from a political standpoint is different from communism from an economic stand point. Russia today is a republic that is semi-presidential. China has a communist party, but I don't think its economy is communist. Russia has no reason to defend China even if it was attacked (Which will never happen btw).

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 Post subject: Re: World War 3
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:32 am 
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just try to give a close example :3

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 Post subject: Re: World War 3
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:56 am 
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WW3
ISRAEL and allies VS MUSLIM nations and allies.

In my point of view dollar is already going down,and US seems to be having a bit of internal difficulties, while Israel is building up.. to replace US as the world power?
Israel is already angering the Muslims as it is.. it is well known a war is already building up. and it would be like the last two times where nations jump into support either side,and the whole world turns on each other. and plus it would be nasty with more advanced weapons system and etc that the western allies have and the stock pile of who knows how many missiles Iran got,plus Pakistan's nukes.
From whats happening in middle east,i think all the Muslim leaders supporting western allies are been replaced more or less.With the new found tensions between turkey and Israel, Egypt and Israel, the always blooming anger between Israel and Iran,Syria ... its easy to see the WAR sign above the whole region and the world.

Well,as of now I'll wait for Battlefield 3 and then MW3 to see the WW3 of COD series :)

May god give you victory over your claims to become a free nation , my Palestinian brothers and sisters.

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 Post subject: Re: World War 3
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How can Israel become a world power. Israel does not have the size, resources and financial strength to become a world power.

Now as far as angering the muslims go, its not like the muslims never bothered them. They attack them and kill them, conduct rocket attacks etc, and Israel being a bigger power, drops a 2000 pound bomb destroying not just the bad dudes but civilians as well. Just to make sure. I guess both are guilty in a way.

As for the world war, the muslim nations that dont support the US, they are just too weak to team up and do somehting substantial. Saudi Arabia, and Iran are probably the strongest countries in the middle east that are Islamic powers, but Saudi is already with the US.

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 Post subject: Re: World War 3
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:33 am 
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As for Muslim nations supporting US, i think that's changing. Seems more like US already lost or is loosing Pakistan's support and other "Muslim allies". Besides you don't need to be large in numbers etc to do a war and cause much damage. US major Muslim ally is Saudi Arabia, if that changes US is gonna loose much, knowing how much of wealth that nation has. And its hard to say US is a super power,while not much has been gained in Afghanistan war even after osama bin ladins death. With all its man power,and military might those militants in the mountains seems to be doing more damage compared with there number and resources.

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 Post subject: Re: World War 3
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:52 pm 
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The definition of a super power not only lies in its military might, but also in its economic and political influence. The US is the ONLY superpower in today's world. Now many people in Saudi may not actually like the US but they recognize that being on the US side can bring them prosperity. The king of Saudi, realized this very early in the 20th century. One of the reasons why Standard oil etc started oil exploration as early as 1930.

Pakistan was never an ally for the US in a true sense. Pakistan was used by the US to further their own objectives. Its because of this that the Pakistani population now has anti american sentiments. Pakistan isnt a very enterprising nation, or atleast its politics dont let that happen in a big way. They need US aid, while needing terrorists to battle India as an extension of their foreign policy to tackle the Kashmir issue. Because of this they have come to tread a very fine line, and will be hurt one way or the other.

The US has the NATO countries that will support its war time initiatives. You have to understand that the UNSC followed by the NATO is a power circle, that uses war to profit and further their industries. Something they have been very successful at doing. But, yes at the cost of its own citizens and its economy, pushing the country into recession 2 times in succession. But like a Wall street investor said in an interview to BBC, seems these dudes WAIT for recessions in order to profit.

So it isnt rock paper scissors, and it isnt the US vs Islamic countries as is commonly believed. The US has economic and political interests in countries their invade. And the terrorists have political motives of their own. The tactic they choose to use, namely terrorism, is just a tactic. And they HAVE to use religion as a selling point in order to mobilize the vast illiterate and poor muslim population in many of these countries the US wages war in.

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 Post subject: Re: World War 3
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Yea,agree with some of those points you highlighted.

But I have to say, US walks on the edge of a knife right now, wrong move and she could destroy her economy. And when we look at the countries that could actually stand up to America would be China right now. About world war 3 perhaps a bit early to add some countries to sides, the foreign politics is in a bit of a mess right now along with the economy.

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