I invite you to come live in China...I really don't noticethat.

Well, when censorships are on for a long time, you dont notice them. But its true, about the death penalties and such.

For example the Tienanmen Square protests where people were removed by force.



Agreed

Lol ok.

I don't agree with everything the Chinese government does...but it makes sense. You are governing the worlds largest courtyard in terms of population. If everyone is given a chance to protest, there would be complete and utter pandemonium. What works best for large countries such as China is that the government makes the decisions. In my mind, theres an agreement between the government and people that outsiders don't understand. The government brings great growth, social and economic, and the people don't cause havoc. If you notice hi jintao speak, he always talks about harmony...and that's because if people go on riots and stuff as they do in France or USA, at this scale of 1.4 billion people, there would be total collapse.

Lol, you do know when tiananmen happened, right? But as regards to strict penalties, same argument as above. You need to be stricter on the law. If each person goes and steals a bit without harsh consequences, on a scale of 1.4 billion people, there is complete havoc. Also, I haven't checked recently, but I don't think death penalty per capita is that large...I'd have to check though.

Trust me dude, I notice censorship. although, I just don't think it affects my way of life.

It's american politics, then we all talk about how Chinese politics is flawed. So shouldn't we name this Chinese politics?

That.


Lies. You dont need facistic laws to keep order, you need good enforcement of the ones you have. China's laws are to mantain control not keep order. Order is a side effect.


Also un-true. USA is not flawed by being democratic, it is flawed because politics move under the influence of big, money-hungry men. Who really controls the goverment? The president? Or the men how payed his campiagn to put him there, the men whom the president owes the job?

USA has alot fasistic traits. Censorship in the US? What for? You are all brain washed. Your freedom of speech is trash talk. In the moment someone expresses an Unpopular opinion, things go down. As an example, take university profesors. There are million of cases where they are fired for expressing unpopular opinions. What is really a terreroist? justt because Al-Qaeda for example are muslims are ALL muslims automtically terrorists? Well in US works that way. There are cases of collage professors saying this same words and getting fired for it. Is that freedom of speech?

Yes there are no perfect goverments, but not are all as flawed as USA's nor China's.

Not true. I come from an almost equally sized country in terms of population and it is the worlds largest democracy. Unlike the US, India has THOUSANDS of political parties (Assuming Republicans and the Democrats as the only two dominant parties out there. Maybe the Ron Paul dude can be considered a third party). India represents EVERY major religion, you name it. Each state in India speaks a different language. Therefore its very diverse. Yet, we have been able to make a lot of progress, and democracy WORKS. Maybe, there is lot of confusion, and the wheels turn really slow, yes, but you say what you wanna say and that is freedom and is of utmost importance. Yes the Chinese government has bought enormous growth in terms of economy, but through strict communist rule and censorship. I dont agree with you when you say that most people in China prefer the communist government. I dont think they do. The Tienanmen square protests say enough. They bought tanks in to disperse people who were peacefully protesting for reform FFS.



You misunderstood. I didn't say that US was flawed by being democratic. I said every democracy is flawed in certain ways. And I said what you have said here, earlier by stating that today we live in a plutocracy. And it is indeed because of that, that the democratic framework is flawed. Its no more for the people and by the people. I also talked about freedom of speech. We really do not have a lot of freedom of speech, simply because, while we are technically allowed to speak what we want, we would have to put up with consequences and thus not be able to bring any change. But atleast we have a choice. While people elsewhere under communist rule, do not essentially have that much of a choice.

You don't notice the censorship because you have never experienced true freedom. its not perfect in USA but we have a lot more freedom than china.

It's funny because i have seen what Chinese living spaces are most people are stacked upon each other and sleep in little bin like areas. some people even sleep at work then go back to work. its a slave country in my views the majority of china people are. work for next to nothing and work longer hours than anyone only to come home to a tiny space.

eventually the people of china will rise up like the rest of the world. don't be happy that your people can be pushed around so easily. its not a weakness to protest, its a strength.

OK...that's a bit racist.
Idk what propoganda you've been looking at, trevor. Those Chinese living spaces are NOT common...I've actually never seen that before. Chinese people mostly live in apartments, fair size...of course, I'm speaking for the middle class here.
I've lived in Canada buddy. And you haven't lived in China.

its not racist i have seen it on like 20/20 a long time ago. and most of china is beyond poor. people making like 20 bucks a week?

Still holds. Never considered that 20/20 might portray china in a light that clicks with its viewers? People outside china want to see china as evil. Including you.

Honestly, people like you tick me off. COME TO CHINA. ITS GREAT. seriously. Western media is so full of propoganda you dont even know it. First off, you say you saw the program a long time ago, same with tiananmen. *facepalm*. China has made a lot of progress, something the western media fails to report. And ive seen it also. 20 bucks a day...yeah some people do probably make that. Some americans make 20 a day also, whats your point?

china is relatively poor. Yes. Its a developing nation...heard of that? And for the record, whoevver says china is communist is sorely mistaken. Mainly socialist, some capitalist in cities.