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 Post subject: Who says crime doesn't pay!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:19 am 
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I just want to start off by saying that SAGE has lost all respect for this game. This my first round playing with SAGE its been an honor to know these guys and see how talented they are as a team and a family.

But i must say that this round has crushed there trust (and mine) in this game, Due to the cheating that is supported by battle dawn and the admin of E2. I am not here to bash on the admin or to say anything cruel. I am here to state that something needs to be changed, unless in fact that this game wants to support cheaters and the massive boosters of the 9 man challenge that took place this era.


Now let me say that SAGE has spent every tick of this era fighting to be the winner of this round we have done everything in our power to do this but at the moment it seems like this game doesn't favor us for being active and playing as a team. this round has shown that is is better for an alliance to account share and not to be active as a team. Surely patience is not a virtue in this game anymore. because it will benefit the team in the long run if you just share accounts with the rest of your team.


Now let me explain, NYC or what was NYC started this era going strong boosting and taking no prisoners. To good to be true? (answer-YES) it started off SAGE being suspicious when a former member of NYC told us he would have to give NYC leader his account info if he wanted to stay in NYC. He a person who stood up for what he thought was good ended up getting conquered. and losing his(i believe around 20 crystals). So SAGE reported this. Nothing happens for a while.


Just to paint a picture here for you who aren't playing this era.

NYC=maddy

SAGE = Antartica

The relics come out and we go after a relic on the western coast of Africa of course NYC was able to get just enough squads to outnumber us. i believe once the leader Blaaster came online all of a sudden 6+ players are going after the relic that they seemed at first they wouldn't have enough and actually pulled back 2 members who were online when the relic came out. I believe the next day Admin joe ends up banning Blaaster we were told due to language... then we decide to go back into africa after we let them take the relic since they were able to get every member to fly to it the previous day. and then before we get ready to go to africa. Another member gets banned. again we were told due to bad language....... so then we go to africa and then by the time we get to the relics they are both un-banned. fortunately we were able to get the relic. It seemed all of a sudden that there members weren't able to fly and defend it like the previous time.


So we go on for i believe 800-1000 ticks just sitting and building trying to keep up with NYC and there boosting powers.


We manage to stay right there in score. And then they decide to start the war with us. First off by trying to get into South America we stop them. So then they decide to Fly all the way up to iceland around North America and down to Central America. I kept track of the movements and 4 players moved 20+ hours straight doing this giant circle we had sat scans following these 200+ squads the whole trip they made it. and then we manage to stop this attack also holding strong in South america. Then we manage to get a lockdown on Ironman's squads. A SAGE member sends all his units at his locked down units and then gets ioned 10 times i believe. he loses most of his units but take a huge chunk of power off of Ironman who was a general of the army at the time went down to 3 silver stars.

So then the next day we find out that 3 members have been banned out of the 9 man challenge NYC. Blaaster, Ironamn, and Daemon. Finally some justice in this world. The bannings as most people know was from Blaaster logging into everyones account and ioning Fence post 10 times.

Finally some bannings for account sharing and not "bad language" bans for like 6 hours these were actual perm bans for this era.

So here we are SAGE ranked 1 by double the score of TWT= 2nd place these numbers reflect what our scores were this morning.

And to what surprise when we start going into Africa today and using team-work and NOT cheating. It seems that the other "non-account sharing"? they have booted these members who got "Caught" and even there 2 relics. and they are all joining the 2nd place team TWT...


So now i ask the question how can these guys get to keep what was accrued throught 1800 ticks of account sharing and cheating. The only reason they got so powerful was from account sharing and now the ones who are leftover who didnt get caught this time get to keep 700 crystals and 2 relics and join the next alliance that is against SAGE?

Like SAGE is saying right now that the cheaters get to win the round. Good job Battle dawn you are teaching these new guys that come in that if only some of them do it the next time that the other get to keep there stuff and go on to win.

So now as the Mail person of SAGE it seems we have lost all respect for this game and are quitting this game. Is there any reason we spent so many sleepless nights to win this era and ended up just not caring anymore due to Battle dawn not caring as much as we do in not account charing.

AND WE QUIT. we are moving on to another game and we wont be back it seems unless something is done about this Atrocity. so goodbye E2 and battle dawn

Good luck from - PLATINUM SAGES ARMY we wont miss this era or this game.


Written by the mail person of SAGE.-No prisoners of no mercy.

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 Post subject: Re: Who says crime doesn't pay!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:27 am 
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IT SADDENS ME GREATLY... BUT.. I TOO MUST TAKE LEAVE FROM THIS ONCE GREAT GAME.

I HAVE A GREAT AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR THE GAME CREATORS... I ALSO HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR MY ENEMIES THAT DO NOT CHEAT.

I DO NOT....NOT...NOT HAVE RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO ABUSE THE SYSTEM.. AND THEN... ARE NOT PUNISHED FOR IT... I MEAN.... REALLY PUNISHED.. NOT A SLAP ON THE HAND...

YES.. THIS IS A BUSINESS.. AND IT NEEDS TO MAKE MONEY...BUT NOT AT THE COST OF LOSING ITS REPUTATION...

SORRY Battle Dawners... the reputation has been tarnished.

Signing off...
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 Post subject: Re: Who says crime doesn't pay!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:45 am 
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Much love Battle Dawn players who aren't cheats...

I have had my fill of Battle Dawn allowing cheaters to benefit of other members cheating ways...

To allow an alliance to cheat so much and then letting there cheating members to get there crystals which was obtain through ther cheating ways... its a little to much for me...

Im thankful for all the good friends I have made... I will be here on skype.


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 Post subject: Re: Who says crime doesn't pay!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:48 am 
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Admin was fully aware of the account sharing and had given "warnings" for the most despicable offence. I really think joe makes up the rules as he goes.. sometimes its a three day ban for logging into someones account .. sometimes its a 24 tick ban for doing it non stop all round.

it appears to me as simple as this.. after SAGE took down LOL.. the only real chance of stopping us was NYC. When blaaster was caught for account sharing the first time.. his troops were stranded and within range of many nukes. its funny that just as nukes are being launched that blaaster was released from an account sharing ban after just 24 ticks.

i asked joe why he was released after 24 ticks for account sharing.. and he told me "he was banned for something else" later in the forums in a thread started by Daemon of zamorre... Joe states that he had warned them several times for account sharing and hence the permanent ban.

so joe released someone for account sharing after 24 ticks.. which is a lesser ban than simply swearing in a PM.. why would he do this??

my guess is that if we had taken out blaaster the round would be over very quickly.. this has been a very profitable round for BD.. the boost bar has travelled very quickly. SAGE winning the round at tick 1500 would have meant a poor financial result.

So anyway.. it is well known now that all members of NYC were asked for their passwords... Blaaster moved players whenever it was required and used his access to all players troops to take down many alliances and mass a large amount of crystals.

When Blaaster was banned.. he and Daemon had over 200 crystals.. IRONMAN who disappeared from the map somehow had over 100 as well..

so.. why is it that the remaining players of NYC.. who allowed the abuse of their accounts all round are now allowed to scoop up the rewards of Blaasters cheating? For me it is a disgrace.. the game is a joke.. and admins control and punishment of cheating is worse than pathetic

congrats on your win in advance TWT.. im sure that the merge between yourselves and the remaining members of an alliance that should have been fully banned will get you your win.

and to admin.. especially joe.. shame on you.. you watched it happen the whole round... and when told about it.. you ignored it..

and when you knew it was true.. you gave a 24 tick ban

and when it continued... you only banned 2 of them.. even tho all were participants in the crime.

goodbye to all my friends and foes in BD.. i will miss the people.. but not the game.. and definately not an administration that has allowed E2 9 man round to become a joke

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 Post subject: Re: Who says crime doesn't pay!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:43 am 
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SAGE I understand your frustration, but some of the facts stated here are clearly wrong. It is true that account sharing took place occasionnaly. Players involved admitted it and were punished accordingly by Admin Joe, first with a temp ban and then with permanent ban. It also greatly penalized the whole alliance because it always happened at a critical stage of battles.

I am not trying to minimize the cheating, but it was certainly not as systematic as you present it. For instance the entire move to South America was a coordinated action with all members participating being constantly active. When Ironman got trapped in South America, we were all online except 1 member, and we all used our ion cannon. That wasn't enough though, Blaaster panicked, logged into the inactive member's account, and fired. Result? Both players got IMMEDIATE ban (and rightly so). It is obvious that our activity since the 1st warning was automatically monitored, and had we cheated before we would have been banned swiftly. In reality, no else was banned, not even Ironman as you say. He decided to quit after losing most of his army in that South American op.

So what could we do after this drama? The few remaining players, all very active and honest, decided to kick the ones who left or were banned and share their crystals and relics because we all participated legitimately in getting them. We then decided to join TWT because there was really no other option for us to continue the game. We feel no obligation to further assume errors committed by others. Our position is that necessary action was taken by the BD team, and that this action was correct and fair. There are no cheaters left from the former NYC and if we win this era it will be only with fair play.

I will not enter into the boosting debate. This argument is ridiculous because we all know it is currently the only way to support the team behind this great game. And also, it is perfectly legal!

So SAGE, I can only encourage you to continue the fight. Revise your facts, stop the unnecesaary flaming and let the best win!


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 Post subject: Re: Who says crime doesn't pay!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:57 am 
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yes juch dont admit to it. avoid that all your crystals were gained through account sharing. Or hacking- as your other member called. it was funny to see how many times every time blaaster logged in everyones units were all of a sudden moving then after warning when u guys had killed NYR and taken PWND crystals you guys got inactive...

im not gonna argue with this anymore. Battle Dawn supported account sharing to keep the round going longer in this case.

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 Post subject: Re: Who says crime doesn't pay!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:20 am 
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NPNM, as I said your facts are WRONG.

You have of course the right to persist in your opinion but it is badly flawed.

To prove my point, and to end this debate, I am asking Admin Joe the same as SAGE: check my logging activity since the warning and if you find any illegal stuff I will accept your decision.


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 Post subject: Re: Who says crime doesn't pay!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:02 am 
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What cheaters? this is how the game is played and if you are not skillful enough to beat unskilled boosters than your pathetic, dont go around calling people cheaters because they spend there college money on BD be glad your not that person.

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 Post subject: Re: Who says crime doesn't pay!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:06 pm 
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Well this is well thought out and to the point. Yes account sharing was a issue with these people. The ban placed on them along with the warning was my decision. It was my hope as all admins hold strong is that the player can learn there lesson and from that continue a fair game and fight with out going back to there old ways. Blaaster couldnt and the final punishment was placed on him. Now as for the decision to remove his crystals and current control of the relics. My decison on this wasnt fast enough i guess...

These kind of bans placed on top alliances really effect the whole world. Sadly enough we cant make everyone happy even though i try.

I just hope that in the end we can work these issues out and keep these issues from continuing to happen.

Update on this: After further review i would like to say i am sorry on the slowness of dealing with Blaaster and Deamon and the crystals. I will be removing the crystals they earned by account sharing... and will work harder on make sure this kind of mistak doesnt happen again when it comes down to the type of ban a player recieves.



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 Post subject: Re: Who says crime doesn't pay!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:07 pm 
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Joe and I have been talking about this at length and we have decided to bring back a precedence that to be honest we haven't been doing that much since the new client came about last year. This is to remove some or all crystals on permanently/temporarily banned colonies for account sharing/multi abuse depending on the severity of the abuse and the number of crystals a banned player has.

If a player had been heavily abusing for a long time and gained a massive unfair advantage due to multies/account sharing then all crystals will be removed; Unfair gains from cheating remain in the game as those crystals will 99% of the time end up back in the alliance that the banned player was from so we feel it's only fair to remove those crystals from the game.


Also a few points I wanted to comment on:

Chryptic wrote:
my guess is that if we had taken out blaaster the round would be over very quickly.. this has been a very profitable round for BD.. the boost bar has travelled very quickly. SAGE winning the round at tick 1500 would have meant a poor financial result.
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im not gonna argue with this anymore. Battle Dawn supported account sharing to keep the round going longer in this case.


The bulk of the income that BD makes from supporting(Which is easily 90% of our overall income) is earned within the first 1000 ticks or so of a round. Extending a round in any way is actually to BD's detriment financially so money(As almost always) is not a factor in the decision Joe made and supporters or non-supporters are treated the same when it comes to rule-breaking.

Situations like this involving the top alliances have very far reaching effects and it's impossible for the admins to compensate for everything that happened exactly. We try to resolve the issue as fairly as possible to all those directly involved/affected and it is a very careful balancing act to be maintained so that we are being fair to all parties.

On a positive note there's some security features and additional logging/tools that we're looking to implement in the future that will greatly help with detecting and persecuting players using multiple accounts. We take game abuse very seriously and are always looking at ways to improve our tools and methods.

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